Of course it would be, but in a non typucal GAA way i would think a general Urban plan would be the first step. From the top down rather than the other way around.
Not a very irish way of thinking though so i’ll forgive you.
One might think that your comments are just empty bluster to blow away from what has actually happened.
One might think.
A cynical mind, dare I say.
You said outside of dublin urban areas were not successful at gaa. Aid and fagan blew that out of the water as i had and sid gave an excellent example of antrim and how densly their club game is played.
You absolute muppet.
With one example?
I cited many urban areas where the GAA struggles massively, Sidney added in many more. The GAA does struggle in urban areas, particularly in football as I’m not really too au fait with hurling.
You have a dubious interpretation of an argument being blown out of the water.
What urban areas does the faa struggle?
Can you not read?
Dundalk
Drogheda
North Armagh trio of Lurgan/Craigavon/Portadown
Sligo Town
Derry City
Sidney added in Galway, Limerick, Down and Wicklow to that list.
I live in the area, am a member of Kilmacud Crokes, older kid goes there, I was in Benildus this morning with the six year olds which is a shared resource
@caoimhaoin is right about a lot of this
free third level introduced 30 years ago means class has levelled out incomes insofar as it existed. Car park would suggest a mix of people are members or go there.
Kilmacud has 130 teams. Infrastructure, organisation and resources are unbelievable. Is it too big - yes probably. Is it winning hearts and minds of kids in area and making GAA main sport - yes. Cuala in Dalkey success has been even more staggering.
The point being made about being affluent is relation to property prices and being a desirable location to live in Dublin.
Yes it is by national standards
New town being built in Cherrywood and lots of land there. 4000 homes. Parks, schools etc. About 5km from Kilmacud Crokes. Ripe for a new club if GAA have the foresight. Would be between KC and Cuala and take members from both.
I don’t know about that so I’ll have to take your word for it.
But look at the cost of such a venture, how big would the hypothetical catchment area be? 20-30k?
How many teams would it be servicing across all codes? Football, hurling, underage in both genders? What would that come to? Possibly 60 or 70 teams?
You’d probably be looking at €5-6 million for a site for a football pitch and clubhouse and that’s before you even consider training facilities. How many pitches would you need to cater for all these teams? 4 at the very minimum I would say, with parking facilities, changing rooms and possibly gym facilities? How much would that site cost before even developing them?
A new club costs upwards of €30m and this guy is all for it despite constantly bumping his gums about the money being pumped into Dublin GAA.
GAA is thriving in these areas in Dublin and it is unfeasible to set up a new club there.
In relation to the class issue, in my view Kilmacud have thrived in large part because they are very much seen as a middle class club, in the way that, say, Clanna Gael Fontenoys are not.
Parents in middle class, leafy south east Dublin who might be nearer geographically to Clanna Gael and who have kids who want to play GAA are far more likely to bring them to Kilmacud because they see it as a nicer envoronment.
St. Brigid’s in Belfast appear to be thriving along similar lines - they have marketed themsleves as a middle class club.
This is exactly the type of thing they should be on top of.
Good insight there. And as i have said all along, this is not KC’s fault. They are simply doing their thing.
Will hearts and minds keep them playing when they can’t make the 1st team? Elitism within clubs is an issue and it is damaging to kids no mattyer what anyone tries to rubbish. Especially if you are talking about 3rd grade underage.
Right, this has gotten sufficient discussion, under the TFK Standing Orders adopted at our recent AGM, I call for a vote. Shall we disband Kilmacud Crokes and be done with it, yea or nae?
Someone add the poll there.
I’m not sure where you are on about but the Stilorgan i was in last september was far from a leafy suburb.
Anywhere from Booterstown/Clonskeagh northwards.
All of Stillorgan is pretty leafy by general Dublin standards, certainly middle class at worst.
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You are putting a cost on long term develooment of people, kids health etc etc. Such an unbelievable narrow view (but probably not genuine and arguing for the sake of it) where a long term view would see less need for health services, more activity, less drugs and so on.
It works, investment in sport, amenities and facilities. 6M is nothinh to spend on 20-30k people, absolutely nothing.
It’s not 6m, it would be far in excess of that.
Why don’t you address your moans about Dublin GAA and the money pumped into and what you’re advocating now?
I’d argue that forcibly splitting a club that is thriving will have exactly the effect you want to avoid.
As I have said, ideally there would be another club somewhere in the Blackrock/Dun Laoighaire/Monkstown area, but that’s a different thing entirely to forcibly splitting a successful club that has no wish to do so and is clearly fulfilling the criteria you mention at the start of your post very successfully.
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http://www.cherrywooddublin.com/masterplan
Plans here for sporting pitches. hard to just create a club though. Has to grow organically but the land should not be handed over as pitches for existing super clubs in an ideal world. Shankhill is a new club in area and closest club to cherrywood so might be scope there for it to grow - it was set up in 2013
KC is definitely pitched as a middle class club but a large number of parents/members are not Dublin natives.