Sorry it took so long to get back Kev. Naptime finished abruptly.
Your above statement has some truth in it. This does sometimes happen. It is however, ludicrous to suggest that this would be more prevalent in the catchment area of one Dublin GAA club as opposed to another in Cork. As if Dublin dwellers were more reckless and feckless when it came to loans. Which is what you and @Fagan_ODowd have both said.
I suppose the only stat that might have a bearing might be home repossesions in the relative areas. This link shows they are generally in line with population.
I will.
I’m not saying that. Just that an accountant or teacher in an ordinary job in dublin does not make the 25% more than the same person in Cork. 25% seemed to be close to the difference in a few 3 & 4 bed houses on a quick search for douglas and Kilmacud.
However in terms of “affluence”, Douglas and Kilmacud/Stillorgan would be very similar, a mixed bag.
However Rochestown is absolutely a more affulent area than Kilmacud.
Means nothing. I’m not going to give you gossip to go back to your sad friends on some other nordie chip on the shoulder website or that other clown so he can go tunning to his newspaper buddies.
But everyone knows it happens. Just don’t talk about it cos it makes ye look like awful weak hypocritical bastards.
Gossip? It’s either fact or another lie? Which is it?
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Not sure of the detail of areas relative living standards membership of Kilmacud is by GAA standards expensive. 290 for 2 adults and 2 kids and 150 for a couple. It’s 3 or 4 times more than most clubs outside of Dublin. Crokes has close to 5000 members. Lucrative sponsorship deal with BOI so it operates at a different level to most clubs in terms of finances.
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More power to them.
What kind of revenue does the 7’s generate?
Not sure probably at a guess 50k between the two plus bar etc.
Most people in the club would say it is too big but nobody wants to turn away kids/members.
Demographics in Stillorgan are quite old compared to other local areas so lots of new members come from further afield within 5km radius. They travel partly because of brand and partly because brand is backed up by great organisation and infrastructure.
Ultimately though Kilmacud and Cuala need other clubs in area to grow and flourish.
Cuala are supposed to have 2000 members.
By comparison Blackrock rugby club are supposed to have under 500 members
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Cork have won 30 hurling All Irelands. Blackrock, Glen Rovers and St Finbarrs (three city clubs) have won 83 county championships between them.
Nemo Rangers, another Cork city club lead the football roll of honour in Cork and have won 7 club All Irelands, more than any other club.
Austin Stacks from Tralee lead the roll of honour in Kerry with 12 county titles. John Mitchells from Tralee and Dr Crokes Killarney are next, both on 10.
Most of those titles are historic. Nemo being the only club of those you have mentioned to have won a title (one) in the past 20 years. Your stats seem to predate the Celtic Tiger era.
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You are one hell of a spastic.
What is incorrect in my statement?
This comes back to my theory about how being seen as a middle class club is an advantage. Middle class clubs will generally have better facilities and people want to be part of such clubs.
Pretty much all the clubs that have thrived in Dublin over the last 10-15 years are seen as middle class,
Crokes, Boden, Judes, Cuala, Na Fianna, Brigid’s, Castleknock, even Vincent’s and Lucan to a large extent. Clontarf are coming now too.
Ballymun are the sole exception.
The clubs which are seen as working class such as Erin’s Isle, Thomas Davis and St. Mark’s have fallen behind. Isles, Davis’s and St. Anne’s used to backbone the Dublin senior football team not so long ago, but have really fallen away.
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The GAA never gave a fuck about class you Muppet.
Your post above is disgusting and goes against what the GAA actually stands for.
That’s what a townie cunt would say
So Kevin Dyas eh?
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You are totally out of touch. Very often its less affluent clubs get good facilities due to community funding for under privilaged areas.
Bernard Allen did huge work for the Northside of Cork and less affulent Na Piarsaigh, St. Vincents and Mayfield have far superior facilities to say affluent area clubs like Bishopstown, Ballincollig, Ballinora, Glanmire, Eire Og, Blarney etc.
Cork used to be backboned by 3 clubs but the populations shifted, they rested on their laurals and there was new clubs came to the fore, largely due to hard work in say SarsErins Own & Newtown. For the first 2 population surges were central. For Sars it was getting business type people in at the top and getting super organised, munch like Crokes.
The clubs you say are struggling are probably struggling due to lack of work rate internally, a lack of vision and maybe just a generarational cycle, maybe a populatio shift, which happens everywhere. They still are clubs with big picks so they should be doing better. This is nearly always down to themselves, not because they are working class. Plenty “working class” clubs do brilliantly and have all sorts of people playing for them. St. Finbarrs in Cork, Stacks & Legion in Kerry, Ballymun in Dublin and so on.
Your class distinctions are ridiculous. And while it may make a decision(facilities, status) for some people, its largely not even a question. Kids go where their school mates go.
You really need to up your game. Even by your standards, that’s utterly pathetic.
Glen Rovers - Cork Senior Hurling Champions 2015
Nemo Rangers - Cork Senior Football Champions 2000, 2001, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2015
Austin Stacks - Kerry Senior Football Champions 2015
Dr Crokes Killarney - Kerry Senior Football Champions 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
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Only one of those clubs have won an All Ireland club in 20 years.
There’s only about 10 clubs in the County Championship in Kerry that can represent at provincial and national level, as they pull the usual Munster Football stunt of organising and fixing things in an unethical way so as to give them a better chance of achieving at national level.
Ireland has become obsessed with conspicuous upward social mobility over the last two decades. It has driven politics since as far back as 1997 at least. It’s generally accepted here that the rise in popularity of rugby with the general population is at least in part down to an aspirational social class factor. Education is another indicator - the rise of fee paying schools and grind colleges.
If you don’t think that kind of mindset extends into the GAA and some clubs benefit at the expense of others as a result you’re dreaming.
Why, for instance, has St. Brigid’s in Belfast, a distinctly middle class club, grown to become one of the biggest GAA clubs in Ulster despite only being formed in 1998?
There is nothing in the demographics, of Crokes, Boden, Judes, Na Fianna, Cuala etc that means these clubs are successful - they’re all in areas with an aging demographic profile. Boden and Judes have benefitted as Thomas Davis and St. Anne’s have declined. Na Fianna have benefitted from the decline of Erin’s Isle. This is certainly at least in part due to social class. People with a choice will tend to choose the more middle class option.
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