How did they get to the final if they lost all the semi finals 
They could maybe just about get away with splitting it into Dublin city and Dublin county, but should try ultra funding the other counties first. It’s not enough now to bring them to level funding. They need to be given the advantages Dublin have had. Trouble is, if used well, it’ll take a decade to see real results.
Lads saying dublin could’ve lost here or there are right, but the juggernaut would have kept on rolling. Even if Dublin lost this year, they’d probably win the next two.
There is a difference between football an hurling imho, in that you can make a very good footballer out of an athletic person, but to excel at senior IC Hurling takes something small extra. There’s a more natural cycle to great Hurling teams.
Youd have to assume that this is what will happen now but even if they start now they should have started at least 3 years ago.
Breaking Dublin into two could start an interesting trend in world sport. New Zealand to be split into North Island and South Island. Windies if they ever get strong again in cricket to be split into constituent islands - Barbados, Jamaica, Trinidad and Guyana.
I’d imagine the supporters in the likes of Kerry and Mayo don’t have any great truck with this allotting of Dublin . It’s a geographic based competition based on county boundaries, splitting Dublin (or any other county) kills the sanctity of the competition and all the history and tradition that goes with it.
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I’d agree, but you’re not looking at s best option here, you’re looking at a least worst.
Leaving things as they are is an option, but possibly not the least worst.
It’s not good enough to hope that another county can win an odd one.
Bringing professional sports into does nothing for your argument. If GAA was professional, then cyclical argument holds sway. Its not, so it does’nt. Crux of matter is that you have a professionally run organisation in an amateur sport.
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It’s actually quite similar in a lot of ways to what you had in rugby in the 1980’s and early 90’s where it was professional in all but name in New Zealand 10-15 years before the advent of professionalism officially in 1995.
The logistics of putting this split into practice will be interesting. The Dublin football team now, like it nearly always has been is largely drawn from a small geographical cluster on the north side of the city. Southside and Fingal input is peripheral enough. Ballymabin Kickhams alone has provided Philly McMahon, John & Paddy Small, Dean Rock, James McCarthy. An Fianna a stones throw down the road in Mobhi Toad have provided Jonny Cooper and Eoin Murchan. There’ll be a lot of sub-splits needed in the northside to spread the talent pool out.
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That’s a very good analogy.
Mickos dominant Kerry team was lauded. This Dublin team is denigrated. Money. Unfair advantages.
All bollocks of course. You could throw twice the amount of money and preparation at bad players and bad characters and they’d win fuck all.
These are superbly talented and committed players who are doing things right. More power to them
Give them more.
Typical Irish begeudgery and sore losers.
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That is true unless the County Board is run in a professional manner, which Dublin is. The braintrust of Dublin GAA is the single biggest factor driving their success imho.
The general history of the GAA is that once a team which has dominated for a number of years ages that cycle of dominance comes to an end. Seen it so many times, once a few generational talents come to the end of the line a county slips back for a number of years before re-emerging in due course. It has even applied to the Kilkenny hurlers and Kerry footballers; never mind the rest of us.
This Dublin team has broken the mould in that regard. In any other county if you lost some of the greatest ever players to represent you there’d be a period in the doldrums. Instead the Dubs just plough on relentlessly after losing Brogan x2, Paul Flynn, McCaffrey and many others.
The GAA has created a monster now that’s absolutely out of control. The Dubs have enough natural advantages but the ruling body pumping money into them at an unprecedented rate compared to everyone else is astonishing. Completely wrong but once the GAA have full houses and the dough is rolling in they don’t really care.
You’ve seen already the damage their dominance is causing in Leinster. Crowds dropping year on year. It’ll be 6-in-a-row in a fortnight, 10 isn’t that far off subsequently. Who, honestly, can get excited by that? Most of their games are boring because they’re too bloody good. Not Dublin’s fault but when they get €17m in funding and everyone else gets €800k in the same timeframe that’s an obvious starting point.
A swap in funding probably gets Mayo home in one of their tight finals over the last few years. Tomas O’Se, Cavanagh and RTE won’t have a word said about this imbalance because they are terrified of a Mickey Harte style ban and won’t get the cushy, cliche ridden interviews.
The greatest team in the history of the game but almost victims of their own success now. Never has a team been so dominant and it won’t be ending any time soon. Depressing for everyone else.
When Cluxton retires they might only win most of their games by three kicks of the ball or less.
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This is incredibly closed minded thinking. It’s the sort of thinking that will see the All Ireland series continue to die.
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Causing? Caused. Leinster is dead. Dublin haven’t gotten put of 2nd gear in nearly a decade.
JToo many team’s in the gga. You need to amalgamate counties and make it a professional sport
While all the best athletes in Ireland will always pick football and rugby first you need to stop the best of the rest going to oz. If mayo didn’t lose the hanleys they would have won 2 or 3 AI over the last few years
Agreed. gavin turned Dublin into a machine where new cogs replace old cogs seamlessly.
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Rattled.
A competitive Gaelic football championship is largely predicated on Dublin not having their house in order. It worked fine for 90 odd years, bar a little blip in the 1970’s. Dublin won 3 All Ireland’s in the 51 years between 1923-74 and 2 in the 34 years between 1977-2011.
The funding and financial backing they’ve got from Croke Park is a scandal. They have had an exceptional crop of players. At least 6 there that are all time greats - Cluxton, McCaffrey, McCarthy, Connolly, Kilkenny and Fenton. Maybe one or two more even and then some more exceptional players a notch or two below. A real critical factor will be how they respond when those top players depart. Or is it just sustained almost perennial excellence now regardless of the personnel that’s there, a bit like the New Zealand rugby team.
The days of small sparsely populated counties like Cavan, Roscommon and Offaly winning All Ireland’s like you had from the 1930’s to 1980’s is long gone. It was pretty much the preserve of the large populous counties long before this Dublin cycle kicked off in 2011. The state of large traditional strongholds like Cork, Meath and Galway over the last 10, 20 years in the case of the latter two, has been a big factor as well.
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Three Ulster counties have won All Ireland footballs since a Connacht side last won an All Ireland.
4 Ulster counties have appeared in All Ireland senior finals since a Connacht side last won, just 1 Connacht.
8 Ulster counties have appeared in All Ireland semi finals since a Connacht side last won, 2 Connacht teams have.
Half of next season’s Division 1 will be Ulster sides.
Half of the Connacht representative teams that play in the All Ireland series will be playing their trade in Division 4 next year. If you include New York - a novelty team who have never won a match it gets worse.
Whatever argument you’re trying to frame is done so out of an inferiority complex you have with Ulster football and the facts are always going to show you up as an angry dimwit.
It’s their conditioning. They don’t tire, they are absolutely miles ahead of every other team there. You would rarely see a Dublin player score an outrageous point. They work to the point of tap over scores, they are just so much faster, stronger and conditioned than every other team and that conditioning means mistakes are not made.
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