Correct in that Manchester City were founded in 1880 as St Marks (West Gorton), a full two years after the foundation of Manchester United. They subsequently changed their name to Gorton AFC in 1884, then Ardwick A.F.C. in 1887 before finally becoming Manchester City in 1894.
It’s incorrect to say that they were more successful initially with United beating them 11-1 in the Manchester and District Challenge Cup 2nd Round in 1886/87.
Incorrect again my friend, by WW2 Manchester United had garnered two first division titles and one FA Cup to Citeh’s one first division title and two FA Cups. Citeh’s most successful period was in the late 1960s to mid 1970s.
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You forgot to mention City won the second division four times, far more successful, they were the traditional team of the people of Manchester, you should really stop embarrassing yourself, you need to accept the fact they were founded in 1902
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Stop peddling mistruths.
They are facts.
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You only deal in facts. The Irish micks can’t stand facts.
I think I’d have to agree with you there. I can’t stand lads making up a false history for their club
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Now that’s a clamping
Should have gone to Stoke.
1863 Stoke City
1878 West Brom, Everton
1879 Sunderland
1880 Man City
1881 Watford
1882 Tottenham Hotspur & Burnley
1884 Leicester City
1885 Southampton
1886 Woolwich
1892 Newcastle, Liverpool
1895 West Ham
1899 Bournemouth
1902 Norwich, Man U
1905 Crystal Palace, Chelsea
1912 Swansea City
Interesting to note Manchester United are the 4th newest team in the premiership
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A franchise with a made up history.
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As the saying goes if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes true in some people’s eyes. All this nonsense about being founded in 1878 needs to be exposed
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1863 Stoke City - founded as Stoke Ramblers
1878 West Brom - founded asWest Bromwich Strollers , Everton- founded as St. Domingo F.C., Manchester United - founded as Newton Heath LYR F.C.
1879 Sunderland - founded as Sunderland & District Teachers Association Football Club
1880 Man City - founded as St Marks (West Gorton)
1881 Watford - founded as Watford Rovers
1882 Tottenham Hotspur - founded as Hotspur FC & Burnley - founded as Burnley Rovers Football Club
1884 Leicester City - founded as Leicester Fosse FC
1885 Southampton - founded as St. Mary’s Young Men’s Association F.C.
1886 Arsenal - founded as Dial Square
1892 Newcastle United founded as Newcastle East End , Liverpool FC
1895 West Ham- founded as Thames Ironworks Football Club
1899 Bournemouth - founded as Boscombe St. John’s Institute F.C.,
1902 Norwich City FC - went into voluntary liquidation on 10 December 1917, officially reformed on 15 February 1919
1905 Crystal Palace, Chelsea
1912 Swansea City - founded as Swansea Town
A lot of made up history there buddy.
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The made up history is that Newton Heath Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Club founded 1878, served with a winding up order in January 1902 are one and the same entity as Manchester United FC founded on 24 April 1902.
Nothings distinguishes a football club quite like its distinctive colours. The green and gold jerseys most famously worn by Newton Heath radically different from the red shirt, white shorts and black socks adopted by the newly formed Manchester United in April 1902.
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General Melchett in Blackadder goes Forth sums up the delusion/made up history of Manchester United founded in 1878 best.
“If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through”.
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A bit like celebrity Manchester United fan and former RTE and News of the World association football analyst Bertie Ahern.
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Excellent administrating @rocko but you’d have been better off taking my advice and banning anyone who brings up this discussion.
I was flicking through a book on the history of Manchester City there yesterday and this was a subject that was dealt with at some length. The sniffy comment of Man U fans, that Man City have no history has no real basis. In terms of foundation, Man U were founded 22 years after Manchester City in 1902. If success if the barometer of history, its really only after the Second World War, with Sir Matt Busby at the helm, that Man U started to dominate.
In the 14 seasons from Man U’s foundation in 1902 up to the cessation of football for the Great War after the 1914/15 season, there was a 7-7 split as regards achieving the highest league finish. In the 20 seasons from 1919-20 up to the cessation of football for the Second World War after the 1938-39 season, Manchester City were the dominant force in the city of Manchester and finished higher in 16 of the 20 seasons.
Post Second World War with Matt Busby at the helm, Man U were the dominant force and in the 23 seasons prior to 1967/68 finished higher in the league in 21 of those seasons. In 1967/68 Man U capitulated on the league run in, losing 6-3 at West Brom in the third last game of the season and 2-1 at home to Sunderland on the last day, to hand Man City the league title.
With the post Busby decline and relegation in 1973/74, Man City were the dominant side in Manchester during the early and mid 70’s, narrowly missing out on league titles by 1 point in 1971/72 and 1976/77. After losing out to the all conquering Liverpool side in 1976/77, Man City went into a long period of decline and didn’t finish ahead of Man U for 35 seasons until the league title win of 2011/12 and with chaos reigning in the boardroom were relegated on 5 occasions between 1982/83 and 2000/01.
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Thats a fantastic post