The number are the things that aren’t letters in that post above there.
That should help you.
I’m going to concentrate on my day job now. You fucking weirdo.
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I have checked the figures for Donegal and as suspected @croppy_boy is as expected being deliberately disingenuous and misleading with his figures.
Between the 2007 and 2011 elections. FF lost 23,172 first preference votes. Of that loss the following gains of the other 3 main parties were:
FG 1,959
SF 8,345
Lab 4,415
In % gains of the lost FF vote that is:
FG 8%
Lab 19%
SF 36%
This is also not withstanding the election of an independent republican candidate in Thomas Pringle who picked up 25% from the FF lost vote. Overall the republican vote picked up a whopping 61% of the lost FF vote.
You can’t outrun the facts, @croppy_boy
here this argument started out from you saying that SF had picked up SF votes as FF had a mainly republican backing in Donegal.
I called this out as utter bullshit as FF have no such backing up here and SF were voted for as an alternative to voting for FG.
I never said that the votes from FF went to SF you retard.
Conversely if you look at Sligo North Leitrim for example.
FF lost a total number of 6,652 first preference votes between 2007 and 2011. Of this loss the following main 3 parties gains were;
FG 694
SF 1,047
Lab 2,988
In % terms of gains on the FF lost vote:
FG 10%
SF 16%
Lab 45%
As I said, @croppy_boy. You can’t outrun the facts because I will mail you with them.
The whole reason the FF vote transferred to SF in Donegal is such high % terms as the FF vote historically in Donegal has had a more traditional republican slant to it. Hence why republican candidates gained 61% of the FF lost vote in Donegal while it was only 16% in Sligo North Leitrim.
Those are facts and they make bits of what you’re trying to assert here.
Look at Dublin North West.
FF lost 11,435 first preference votes from 2007 to 2011.
The gains of the 3 other main parties were:
SF 2,242
FG 2,413
Lab 7,852
In % terms of lost FF vote:
SF 20%
FG 21%
Lab 69%
Again Donegal completely out of kilter with its redistribution of the lost FF vote, simply because FF in Donegal has always had a strong condition of a Republican vote.
Next up is Cork East.
Lost FF vote of 10,789 from 2007 to 2011.
Party gains in first preference votes:
SF 2,620
FG 4,245
Lab 18,176
In % terms of the lost FF vote:
SF 24%
FG 39%
Labour 168%
Once again, the national trend is hugely out of sync with the Donegal vote. Why? Because the Donegal FF vote passed to SF and republican candidates as it has traditionally been a republican vote.
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And finally to your last area, Meath West.
FF lost 14,189 first prefer votes from 2007 to 2011.
The gains of the other three main parties in these areas were:
SF 2,422
Lab 3,798
FG 6,705
In % terms of the lost FF vote:
SF 17%
Lab 27%
FG 47 %
Once again flies in the face of your premise that the FF vote in Donegal has not had a traditional republican angle.
Republican candidates ate into 61% of the FF lost vote in 2011. This was nowhere near being replicated in any of your constituencies put forward.
If we look at the other border areas to see if we can spot a trend on the redistribution of the lost FF vote, here’s Cavan Monaghan.
From 2007 to 2011 the FF vote lost 10,491 first preference votes.
The gains the other parties made were:
Lab 3,215
FG 3,633
FF 5,290
In % terms of a gain on the FF lost vote:
SF 50%
FG 35%
Labour 31%
Are you spotting a trend in the border transfer of the FF vote yet, @croppy_boy?
Look the reason that Donegal went heavy on SF last time was the historical protest vote up here.
It’s a phenomenon that I wasn’t familiar with until I spoke to various people involved with different parties across the political spectrum since I moved up here.
Also FF supporters couldn’t bring themselves to vote for FG in 2011 so went to SF - who had a strong base built up in the 2007 election - more so than in most other constituencies.
On the other ones there was 50% increase in votes, a ‘seisimic shift’ to SF in Meath West and did similar in Dublin North West.
You’re gathering statistics and referencing the ones that suit you when you want. Calm yourself down and take a breathe. SF had huge gains in the last election but to put it down to people wanting to vote republican in 2011 is idiotic at best.
Mary Coughlan and Jim McDaid were not republican candidates. Pat the Cope has links, well his wife does, but his vote getting was down to the backing of the fishermen.
The Blaneys are a different kettle of fish but they were not FF members from from 1971-1995 and did not affect FF getting elected up here either.
I’m finished dealing with your bullshit and flip-flopping with statistics on this now and will revisit this on the next opinion poll on this.
As a matter of interest, what area do you work in @Nembo_Kid ?
You can pick your teeth up off the floor when you slurp back here. Wasting half my fucking morning having to expose your bullshit to everyone.
That bollocks with nothing there to support it. There was protest votes all around the country but it transferred differently as the FF vote on the border areas has a traditional republican slant to it whereas it was Labour and FG who saw the major reaping of it further down the country.
You’re just exposing yourself with the way that you speculating how votes went and makign it clear to everyone that you will go to any length to try and prove your bullshit.
No, I’m showing it in cold hard numbers, where the FF vote went to. You’re the one ignoring the trend and not offering anything substantive to support your nonsense.
From the start of our little debate here you’ve flip-flopped from point to the number of seats gains to the number of first preference votes gain and now you’re comparing their percentage gains compared to other parties.
You’ve changed direction so many times that you’re almost back to where you started from.
You’ve taken the most comprehensive battering on this thread you could ever have imagined. You said it wasn’t a republican vote.
If it’s not a republican vote then how come the swing from the FF vote to other republican candidates is not represented to the same proportion as it is on the border areas?
The reality of that statement is borne out in facts and you can’t disprove them. All you are achieving right now is making yourself look extremely dim and bitter, furthering your pain and embarrassment out there for the masses of readers to see.
It’s not a republican vote because you deem it so thanks to geographical location.
Pearse Doherty made his gains thanks to a combination of the the fact Pat The Cope was not standing and the fact that everyone was pissed off with the FF Govt so wouldn’t vote for the replacement candidate Brian O’Domhnaill.
I didn’t think it was possible but you’re more ignorant on these issues than you are on Gaelic football where you jump from statistic to statistic, selecting timelines and throwing out speculation that you’re unable to prove (unless you get creative with you’re selective statistics).
Why are the gains out of kilter?
Why is Cavan Monaghan and Louth the only constituencies that reflect similar gains on FF votes?
Is that just a happy coincidence? Have you anything substantive to back up your assertions rather than the weak nonsense your spouting?
@Croppy_boy arguing that SF don’t attract republican support in Donegal is up there for the most screamingly obviously wrong-headed stubborn arguments ever voiced on this wonderful site.
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The last thing I’ll spout here is weak nonense.
There’s an overload of that of every thread that you’ve been proving wrong on time and again.
You simply spot selective statistics and regurgitate them, if you don’t succeed in changing the goalposts until whoever you’re arguing with gives up.