I said that the FF vote wasn’t a republican vote up here and, hence the main reason the swing went to SF was an anti-establishment vote actually.
Anti establishment vote? What utter horseshit.
The SF/ind repiblican gains on the FF vote in the border areas were:
Donegal 61%
Louth 56%
Cavan Monaghan 50%
Were they anti-establishment votes as well or just a fact that the FF vote was much more transferable to SF in the border areas as it’s a republican vote?
Have you anything substantive to back up your anti-establishment angle? Anything? Anything at all?
What is selective about the FF to SF gain in preceding elections as a barometer of the FF vote being a republican vote in the border areas.
It is the discernible figure to measure this theory and the statistics say that SF made much higher inroads into the FF vote in the border areas than elsewhere in the country. Why was that?
Have you ever heard of the Blaney family?
I couldn’t give a single fuck about the other constituencies. I argued that you were wrong with regards to Donegal - another instance of you trying to add/include the statistics that suit you when you want.
They were ani-establishment vote going to a party that was already firmly established, in Donegal. In other parts of the country these votes went to Labour typically - there’s no great Labout tradition in Donegal and that has diluted even more with the terrible accident suffered by Jimmy Harte with no successor in place. He still would not have garnered the support of Doherty and MacLochlainn across the two constituencies.
Add to that then that Doherty and MacLochlainn were on Highland radio every day giving out about the government and ran their campaign based on that. SF have left leaning policies and that’s why they picked up the votes up here in austere times and with widespread policies across the county.
You’re claims are beyond insulting to the population of the constituency.
Dear God.
Are you for real? The Blaney’s weren’t members of Fianna Fail from 1970-1995 and are more synonymous with corruption and stroke politics, not to mention very suspect business tactics, in Donegal North West than anything since the bottom fell out of the economy.
That’s your problem. You’re not paying any attention to the trends, figures and statistics that utterly reject your ridiculous arguments, you have offered nothing substantive to support your claims at all.
I’ve destroyed you as a poster here, you’re now ruined on this forum.
Donegal and the border region’s transfer of votes from FF to SF was unparalleled in the rest of the country and you’re just discounting that as irrelevant to the topic in hand. It’s a republican vote and it’s substantive, something you clearly don’t or don’t want to understand.
No you haven’t.
The claims you make are the very reason that Sinn Fein will fail to get elected.
- No real understanding as to how the general public think and feel
- No clue about PR-STV electoral systems
- An unwillingness to see any viewpoint other than their own
- Deciding to make up statistics and wide ranging claims and disregard anyone that disagrees with them with insane insult
Maybe go door to door with your local candidate and see what people are really saying and you’ll learn a lesson and begin to grow as a person.
And yet we’re not talking about FF from 1970-1995, we’re talking about FF from 2007 onwards.
Why are you arguing about the morals of the Blaneys? Nobody is claiming anything about them, other than the fact they had strong republican support. Feel free to disagree. You’ll just come across as a weirdo arguing that black is white.
So that’s confirmation that you have nothing substantive to support what you are saying and you are unwilling to acknowledge substantive evidence that says FF voters were much more likely to switch to SF in the border areas than the rest of the country.
Here’s another fact for you.
The SF take of the lost FF vote in the border regions was 43% compared to the 14% take on the FF votes on a national level once you remove the border
regions.
Coincidence?
No it’s confirmation that you’re a flip flop merchant who cites selected section of stats to try and back up whatever mantra you’ve decided suits your arguments.
The fact that you’re pointing to supposed definitive exact destinations of FF’s lost votes confirms that and that it’s a waste of breathe trying to make you see sense, but we knew that already anyhow.
@Rocko The argument was that traditionally FF have had strong policitical support, not that they’ve had it during whatever time period the Blaneys have been party members.
Shut Joe you commie bastard.
When I’m arguing a specific point it is hardly selective to look at the relevant factors. The point I have been arguing from the get go here has been the traditional republican vote in the border regions and how FF have had a republican vote in these regions that is transfer friendly to SF.
The stats that are relevant in looking at how strong this is would be the FF loss, the SF gain and hoe much of the SF gain eats into the FF loss. That is an entirely logical approach.
The % share the SF gain took out of the FF loss of votes in the border regions was 43%. FACT
The % share the SF gain took nationally (excluding the border regions) out of the FF loss was 14%. FACT
That’s not even including independent Republic candidate Thomas Pringle.
Why does the FF vote transfer 3 times the national average to SF in the border regions if it is not down to a republican angle?
The traditional FF vote in Donegal and border regions is much different to that further south of the country. There is no baggage in them switching to SF as most of the people in the border region have big republican sympathies. That’s just a fact and the figures very much reflect that. You can see that in the history of the border region with republican candidates taking chunks out of the Fianna Fail vote.
Despite your protestations, my argument has been consistent and unwavering from the start. I’ve also grounded in facts, you have been the one flip flopping, dishing out weak excuses and offering nothing substantive.
You have offered me nothing substantive to me. Your debating skills are laughably bad. I will continue to expect you to evade my question on the difference of the border regions to the rest of Ireland as it comprehensively destroys your argument.
Ifs and buts, apples and oranges, here say and conjecture, fact and fiction.
Shout as loud as you want with the imaginary victories that you believe you’ve won. You’re only kidding yourself.
But that doesn’t mean that they haven’t had republican support.
There has always been a strong republican vote in Donegal.
In the past, most of the republican vote went to FF and Independent FF. In the last 5-10 years much of that republican support migrated to SF.
Please don’t disagree with the screamingly obvious.
He got that point ages ago but lacking true class he is refusing to take his beating.
Hard day at the office for the two lads.
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