Well they may have over reached. An amendment or repeal on health based abortions is a no brainer. A blanket legalization attempt might unnecessarily jeopardize that.
If they hadnāt proposed legislation, it would have been a major campaign issue for the exact same people who are making an issue of what is proposed.
If the 8th Amendment is abolished, the legislation will go through an extensive debate process.
Politicians generally tend to reflect public opinion, at least on social issues. We either elect our politicians to do their jobs or we donāt.
Being honest Sid, take out the twelve weeks unrestricted access and this thing would pass 80/20
Abortion already happens in Ireland, and 170,000 Irish women travelled to have abortions between 1980 and 2016.
Being against something that already exists is a very poor reason to vote in favour of retaining a diastrous constitutional amendment that discriminates against women in terms of access to essential healthcare.
Once again. I donāt disagree. Itās back down to the twelve weeks unrestricted access.
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So we donāt need to worry about these small numbers who suffer appallingly whilst they are torn limb from limb. Hmmmmm. Loads of compassion.
Grimes is a supporter of abortion up to the point of birth in certain circumstances.
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Well then vote for repeal then gather a majority, elect a government and get them to change the legislation. Itās all within the power of you and āa lot of peopleā
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The way I see it Mike, this is happening anyway and beyond 12 weeks. Isnāt better not to force the poor people go to England for it. And at least if itās at home with consultation and advice being offered around it it might be a better and safer process for them and might prevent some abortions too.
The other option is to be a stupid as fuck hypocrite like Batt and stuck your head in the ground and pretend it isnāt happening. Ireland has a good history of doing that.
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Please provide evidence of this with an appropriate quote and link.
Under the proposed legislation, there will be no abortions from the point of viability onwards.
Nah man, they follow their leader so that they can hold onto the party whip and potentially advance themselves for a ministerial position or betterā¦ unless they smell blood in the water in which case theyāll make a point of standing up for public opinion (in front of the cameras)
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Thatās a tremendous article by Dr David Grimes but it doesnāt actually contradict nor can it, the plain fact abortion goes against some peoples moral values.
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Thatās true, no article can, but that then reduces the same peopleās argument into consisting of nothing more than their moral values - which is by nature an argument that is based entirely on feelings and emotion rather than facts.
And moral values are very, very subjective. I find it highly immoral that a woman should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term against her will, or that a woman should be denied essential healthcare because she is pregnant. Some people do not.
Grimes correctly notes that only one side is attempting to force their moral values onto the other.
Precisely nobody on the Yes side wants to force any woman to have an abortion against their will, and those for whom abortion contravenes their moral values will be free to live their lives according to their moral values.
Whereas the No side are attempting to keep the position where their moral values are imposed on every woman in Ireland, when itās abidingly clear that a majority of women do not subscribe to those same moral values.
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Whatās wrong with these people - havenāt they been indoctrinated?
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The place had descended into poor wummery such as this.
For shame.
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This clown is for real mate, heās just arrived from the 19th century
Iād say they very likely have, mate, thatās the point.
With morality or doctrine?
For me the Yes side are losing ground in this fight because they see themselves as so 100% right that they canāt understand in anyway how anyone would disagree with them. They come across as condescending in any debate Iāve heard (and a lot of the time understandably so when you see the apes up against them) which wonāt win over any unswayed voters.
If they want to sway undecided voters they need to realise that not everyone sees it as a black and white issue like they do and allow that there is some grey and some people have concerns, for whatever reason, that they would like addressed rather than just forcing their agenda down peopleās throats.
Iām aware they would see the No side as doing the same if not worse, but again they wonāt win that fight.
They need to properly engage and address peopleās concerns if they want to avoid fucking this away.
Iāll be voting Yes for what itās worth as I think at the moment with abortion in the UK itās just a massive fudge not having it here and also in the extreme cases of fatal feotal abnormalities, rape etc, there should be no more hassle for the poor people involved than theyāve already suffered.
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Spot on. In fairness I think most of the yes side have gotten that and have moderated their tone, but there is still a substantial cohort (I mentioned Rosa the other day) who are probably driving away undecided voters. Itās infuriating.
A fine NO canvas on shop st in gaillimh this evening. All young folk too. Respectful and chatty.
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