Abortion Referendum Thread

We can add human biology to the subjects you are clueless on. A simple hormone test determines whether a woman is pregnant or not. It can take up to six days for a zygote to be formed and up to 10 days for implantation. There is nothing morally wrong with a morning after pill you nutcase.

Do you believe contraception is morally wrong? Should condoms be banned again?

No use using just the one now, mate, it’s too late, you’ve exposed yourself.

I believe @Cicero_Dandi has been carrying around the same condom he bought in the Virgin Megastore back in 91,

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No use using just the one now, mate, it’s too late, you’ve exposed yourself.
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You’re the one who keeps obsessing over religion, probably because you’re a bigot.

Keep religion out of it - murdering babies is wrong.

Jaysus, learn to use the quote function, man.

We can add it to the ones you are clueless on but that it still doesn’t stop you spoofing on.

It’s a bizarre question as it has no logical basis.

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How many people who are not devotedly religious, and specifically RC, have you met that believe people should not have sex unless it is for procreation purposes? *

  • Even RC teaching has given up on this one, interesting you still cling to it.

That’s a very oddly phrased question.

Sex is the cause of pregnancy, if people engage in sex they should be prepared to accept the consequences of it, which can be a child. If that is a responsibility they don’t want to have they should not be having sex.

It’s a bit like getting behind a wheel when you’re under the influence of alcohol, it can have consequences, you could kill or harm someone or yourself, go to jail, get disqualified etc. If you’re unwilling to live with the consequences of your actions then don’t do it.

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It’s a very simple question.

Do you believe people should only have sex if they want to procreate? What about contraception, are people morally justified to have protected sex with their partner where pregnancy is not desired?

I believe if people are unwilling to face up the consequences of sex they shouldn’t be doing it, a bit like getting behind the wheel of a car drunk.

If people have sex they should be prepared to raise that baby.

Do you accept that’s a view only held in this day and age by asexuals? Have you met any others who hold this view? I have to admit I don’t personally know any asexuals, which I suppose is why I’ve never encountered this strange view before.

I don’t.

It’s a rule of life.

If you’re not prepared to face the consequences of your actions, then you shouldn’t engage in that action. If a drunk driver gets behind the wheel and causes an accident or gets caught then he/she should have to face the consequences - likewise in a pregnancy.

No rebrands in real life is the message here

A rule of life determined by whom? As I said I have never met someone in real life that holds this view, and I suspect I have interacted with a lot more humans than you have.

What’s your view on contraception, you appear to be dodging that question. Is the use of contraception immoral? Should condoms be banned again?

Saint Thomas Aquinas, greatest Catholic theologian of all time, a father of the Church, thought that the embryo started off with the soul of a plant, then developed the soul of an animal before finally graduating to having the soul of a person. That happened around the time it developed the capacity for rational thought as far as I know, but maybe I’m misunderstanding him.

As far as I know he had a whole hierarchy of souls, with angels evev higher up the ladder than people. He said that people start at the bottom of the ladder with plants when then are conceived and then climb gradually throughout pregnancy. He had none of our culture wars, right wing-left wing, liberal-conservative cultural baggage that we have today. He was just a great and moral man thinking his hardest about a difficult question with no pre-conceptions.

Back when I went through my atheist pro life phase I got obsessed with the idea that I was surrounded by heartless murderers and living through a genocide. I remember one morning it was the very first thing I thought of when I woke up. But that was deeply unhealthy and damaging to me.

You don’t have to be pro-choice mate but don’t deliberately hurt yourself by looking for the bad in people. Nothing good will come from arrogance. A lack of humility is unCatholic. A Christian has to see the positive in his neighbours. Self-harm is also anti-Christian, whether it’s physical, psychological or spiritual.

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I think contraception is wrong.

At the end of the day if people who engage in sex are not willing to give birth to that child then they shouldn’t be doing this.

You seem to have a problem with adults showing some responsibility, discipline and accountability.

I don’t know why people are trying to make this a religious issue when it’s not.