All Ireland Football Final 2020 Dublin v Mayo

[Padraig_O_Gammon]

@Bisto

How many matches can you take Dublin out of croke park for when they are going well ? traditionally the Leinster semi final was a double header in croker ,Leinster final on croker too…all Ireland semi final and final too…
So what are we looking at ? Early round of Leinster,which I think they now play outside …then two super 8 games and make them play in Parnell for league ?..

Every match until the All-Ireland semi-final.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

Every game until the AI final.

Provincial semi finals, finals and AI semi finals should be neutral venues.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@Arthur

Mdma works for a North inner city community development programme. This is most certainly an actual job. You might not think so but I’d argue its a very necessary one trying to develop sport and leisure in probably the most economically and educationally disadvantaged part of the country. Teaching Middle class kids out in ballyboden would be a far far handier number. A philanthropist ffs.

It’s great that these guys are financially set up to follow such pursuits but playing for Dublin must offer some amount of financial reward to be able to do so.

[Big_Dan_Campbell]

I’d agree on the balance of it they have plenty in their favour but I don’t think it is as simple as them having all
the breaks either, they do have some unique challenges.

@Gman I’d be all in favour for pumping money into every but Dublin but I do think that a change of approach across the board is needed in the gaa. Even if you have multiple GDAs to certain counties the difference they would make would by stymied by incompetent and penny pinching by executives. Sort out the political bull shit and give your GDAs a fighting chance and you will reap success, HQ stand too far off and give too much autonomy to under performing county boards imho. This is a bigger an issue than Dublin getting a financial leg up.

[Padraig_O_Gammon]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

It’s great that these guys are financially set up to follow such pursuits but playing for Dublin must offer some amount of financial reward to be able to do so.

You’d have more credibility if you stopped waffling about lads’ jobs and fictional “financial rewards offered by Dublin GAA”.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@Padraig_O_Gammon

You’d have more credibility if you stopped waffling about lads’ jobs and fictional “financial rewards offered by Dublin GAA”.

So how do they afford to follow philanthropic careers at the age of 30?

[Arthur]

Sure the money would be similar to being a teacher I’d imagine?

[Padraig_O_Gammon]

MDMA has an actual job. It has already been explained above. All the Dublin players bar students have actual jobs. Same as players from every other county.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

Would it? Teachers have big pensions and a scale that reaches upward of 65-100k depending on career advancement.

[Arthur]

A recently qualified teacher like him would be on 35 - 40k a year tops.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@Padraig_O_Gammon

MDMA has an actual job. It has already been explained above. All the Dublin players bar students have actual jobs. Same as players from every other county.

Ok.

“Jobs”

Yes.

[Raylan]

His two examples disprove his argument if anything. MDMA gave up teaching which he also considers to be the handiest number going. Rock works with the disabled services in Stewarts Hospital, which anyone should try sometime if they think it’s handy

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

And a salary that continues to rise with a golden plated pension.

[glasagusban]

You put Dublin’s win over yesterday down to culture. That was nonsense.

[Arthur]

I’m not sure what your point is at this stage. Do you think it’s completely unheard of for people to give up teaching and change career? Didn’t harte and o neill and some of the Tyrone lads do it?

[glasagusban]

@EstebanSexface

You don’t see parallels between limerick and Dublin?

Either you’re being dishonest or are burying your head in the sand

Population advantage over every other county? No.
Logistics? No.
Home advantage for every game? No.

Funding. Arguable. Have Limerick spent significantly more on their senior team in recent years than AI winner in recent years? I don’t see any evidence that they have.

Do we have more funding available in general. Possibly. Hard to quantify. I bet plenty other senior teams had equal funding available to them this year.

Funding is not coming from the GAA at the expense of every other county though. That’s another major difference.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@Arthur

I’m not sure what your point is at this stage. Do you think it’s completely unheard of for people to give up teaching and change career? Didn’t harte and o neill and some of the Tyrone lads do it?

For philanthropic reasons it seems a bit strange.

Harte was in his 50s when he packed it in too. O’Neill is still a teacher I think.

[Ashman]

You do realise that a significant percentage of Antrim’s population would be a bit erm hostile to the GAA

[Gman]

Absolutely, you can make the point that you put in the coaches and pay for them in counties and it might make fuck all difference and they will not utilize it as they should.

However, this shouldnt be a reason why they arent been given this, which is effectively what is happening now.

And also, this isnt a point that it should be taken away from Dublin, but more as to why, with already the most natural advantages there are, the GAA decided to push them so far over everyone else that it is nearly irretrievable now. And why it has taken so long to even start redressing this and even at that, still not doing it adequately. What is also missed in this is that the vast majority of able and quality full time coaches only had Dublin to work in. So they have already had first pick in every aspect of coaches, hence so many culchies working in clubs in Dublin.

With regards to the GDAs in clubs and counties, again, this is pretty much coordinated from Provincial council through a provincially appointed head GDA. Its not like handing them over and thats that, the county board or chairman or whoever does not have full access or control to do as they wish, the salary and employment still comes from provincial council.

[Padraig_O_Gammon]

The problem with many of the arguments against Dublin is they very quickly run into Ewanisms like this, which offer nothing except cynical anger. I don’t think anybody in Dublin doesn’t accept they have advantages, because of course they do. But instead of mounting a fair and reasonable case which would involve a genuinely fair assessment of things as they stand/have stood for the last decade, involving real figures - not loaded or massaged figures, what could be done to even things up and how it could be done - we get sarcastic memes and hearsay and pub stories. We get deliberate bad faith conflation of grass roots underage with senior inter-county. All this is like a metaphor for the efforts of a lot of county football teams - self consciously abject.