So you haven’t played a game outside of Dublin in 8 years and you don’t think that’s an advantage?
[QUOTE=“Il Bomber Destro, post: 1003562, member: 2533”]I was thinking of Kerry in Thurles in 2001. So Dublin haven’t played a game out of Dublin 12 years in the championship and scumpot thinks Monaghan are comparable despite them having played three of their last seven championship games outside of Clones.
What a dullard.[/QUOTE]
that’s not what I said and you know it…as usual you try to distort what was said and confuse everything when you are shown up for the clown you are…this is why I generally try not to engage with you…good day…
There’s nothing to suggest it is an advantage. You’re the one droning on about it, yet you can’t back up what you’re saying with supporting figures.
The only reason you are babbling on about this now is that this team is so dominant. Dublin would have destroyed Monaghan in Clones or on any other pitch in Ireland. Thems the facts.
[QUOTE=“tazdedub, post: 1003492, member: 312”]They will only be asked to travel where there is a ground to accommodate the support. The only reason why Dublin play all their matches at Croke Park is because the Leinster Council ask the other county boards to play them there and they agree because their county gets a run out in Croke park and they make more money. I remember in the 90’s when Dublin were drawn away in the championship you would hear some representative of the county board of the county there were playing saying we are making an application to have the match moved to Croke Park because to accommodate the supporters.
Do you really think the Leinster council or the GAA for that matter are going to turn down big pay days by moving a Dublin match to a 15,000 or 20,000 capacity ground? I dont fucking think so. Unfortunately Dublin are the biggest draw in the GAA and the Councils in the GAA, County boards and who ever else are going to use a fixture against Dublin in the Championship to make money even if that means giving up home advantage. Dublin have no problem travelling to play a match. The biggest county ground in Leinster outside of Croke Park is O’Moore Park in Port laoise at 25,000 capacity, there is no way on gods good green earth that the GAA or Leinster Council are going to loose out on takings by having Dublin play a championship match outside Croke Park.[/QUOTE]
utter fucking shite.
Dublin travelled to play Wexford in Portlaoise in 1992 and the following year in Wexford. Thats off the top of my head, they travelled in the 90’s there was no request to go to Croke Park. It was far more beneficial for counties to have a packed home game than to go to Croke Park. But if you can show me some sort of reference to dispute this, then do so, otherwise your ‘hearsay’ of counties asking to go to Croke Park is shite.
Just checking then, they played Louth in 95 in Navan, and also played there in the semi final against Laois. After beating Wexford in 93 they played Westmeath in Tullamore. In 96 they played Westmeath in Mullingar. They played and lost to Meath and Kildare in 97 and 98. So you are talking through your hole on counties asking to move games to Croke Park.
Also, capacities outside of Croke Park - Portlaoise - 27k, Nowlan Park 24k, Dr Cullen Park 21k, O Connor Park 20K, Wexford Park 20k. 5 Stadiums that have 20k or over. Look at the attendance for Dublin double header games in Croke Park for the last few years. They have been shite in relative terms in a 83k capacity stadium. Split the games into single games and have home or provincial neutral venues. If Dublin were filling Croke Park for a stand alone game, then you would have some argument, but the ‘cash cow’ argument, IMO, of having them all in Croke Park is long past and is no longer worthwhile. Dublin arent attracting the crowd they once did, as opposing fans are expecting a hiding, and Dublin fans are bored and are waiting til later on. But take them out and you’d get a full ground and a county hoping to catch them out on their home patch.
And this bullshit argument of ‘Parnell Park’. Dublin havent played a league game in Parnell Park since 2010. They have played 19 games in a row ‘at home’ in Croke Park in the league.
Their championship stats are even more staggering. Someone above asking about Monaghans last 7 games. Would anyone be surprised that Dublin have now played 52 games in a row at Croke Park in the Championship? 52 games! They havent played ‘away’ since playing Longford in Portlaoise in July 2004. Thats fucking mental, no matter what way you look at it. And it doesnt look like changing. There is no way you cant say its not an advantage. Its unfortunate for Dublin to an extent to have this thrown at them, as the main stadium is in their city and they have been successful and the GAA are happy to reap the money off them, but still, it is most definitely a factor. Dublin dont make the fixtures, but they do benefit from them, and to blindly ignore it is foolish.
None of the above should take away from Dublin being an absolutely fantastic team either, I still believe if they were to travel in the earlier Leinster games they’d still be winning. But in the past few years, I fully believe that they would have lost some of those tight games had they been outside of Croke Park.
[QUOTE=“Sandymount Red, post: 1003568, member: 1074”]There’s nothing to suggest it is an advantage. You’re the one droning on about it, yet you can’t back up what you’re saying with supporting figures.
The only reason you are babbling on about this now is that this team is so dominant. Dublin would have destroyed Monaghan in Clones or on any other pitch in Ireland. Thems the facts.[/QUOTE]
Facts dont exist to Bomber. 
[QUOTE=“Gman, post: 1003571, member: 112”]utter fucking shite.
Dublin travelled to play Wexford in Portlaoise in 1992 and the following year in Wexford. Thats off the top of my head, they travelled in the 90’s there was no request to go to Croke Park. It was far more beneficial for counties to have a packed home game than to go to Croke Park. But if you can show me some sort of reference to dispute this, then do so, otherwise your ‘hearsay’ of counties asking to go to Croke Park is shite.
Just checking then, they played Louth in 95 in Navan, and also played there in the semi final against Laois. After beating Wexford in 93 they played Westmeath in Tullamore. In 96 they played Westmeath in Mullingar. They played and lost to Meath and Kildare in 97 and 98. So you are talking through your hole on counties asking to move games to Croke Park.
Also, capacities outside of Croke Park - Portlaoise - 27k, Nowlan Park 24k, Dr Cullen Park 21k, O Connor Park 20K, Wexford Park 20k. 5 Stadiums that have 20k or over. Look at the attendance for Dublin double header games in Croke Park for the last few years. They have been shite in relative terms in a 83k capacity stadium. Split the games into single games and have home or provincial neutral venues. If Dublin were filling Croke Park for a stand alone game, then you would have some argument, but the ‘cash cow’ argument, IMO, of having them all in Croke Park is long past and is no longer worthwhile. Dublin arent attracting the crowd they once did, as opposing fans are expecting a hiding, and Dublin fans are bored and are waiting til later on. But take them out and you’d get a full ground and a county hoping to catch them out on their home patch.
And this bullshit argument of ‘Parnell Park’. Dublin havent played a league game in Parnell Park since 2010. They have played 19 games in a row ‘at home’ in Croke Park in the league.
Their championship stats are even more staggering. Someone above asking about Monaghans last 7 games. Would anyone be surprised that Dublin have now played 52 games in a row at Croke Park in the Championship? 52 games! They havent played ‘away’ since playing Longford in Portlaoise in July 2004. Thats fucking mental, no matter what way you look at it. And it doesnt look like changing. There is no way you cant say its not an advantage. Its unfortunate for Dublin to an extent to have this thrown at them, as the main stadium is in their city and they have been successful and the GAA are happy to reap the money off them, but still, it is most definitely a factor. Dublin dont make the fixtures, but they do benefit from them, and to blindly ignore it is foolish.
None of the above should take away from Dublin being an absolutely fantastic team either, I still believe if they were to travel in the earlier Leinster games they’d still be winning. But in the past few years, I fully believe that they would have lost some of those tight games had they been outside of Croke Park.[/QUOTE]
That’ll be the end of that so.
I’ll add this. Bernard Brogan has never played Championship outside of Croke Park.
That is not right, no matter what anyone says.
I must correct one thing in the above, I missed the Longford game in 2006. So by my very quick rehash on the stat, its 44 games in a row, that Longford game splitting the figures.
Really unionist mentality beeb shown by the likes of taz, scumpot and Sandymount Red - seemingly they don’t see not having played a championship game outside Dublin in 8 years as an advantage.
I think Auntie has brainwashed this moron.
[QUOTE=“Gman, post: 1003571, member: 112”]utter fucking shite.
Dublin travelled to play Wexford in Portlaoise in 1992 and the following year in Wexford. Thats off the top of my head, they travelled in the 90’s there was no request to go to Croke Park. It was far more beneficial for counties to have a packed home game than to go to Croke Park. But if you can show me some sort of reference to dispute this, then do so, otherwise your ‘hearsay’ of counties asking to go to Croke Park is shite.
Just checking then, they played Louth in 95 in Navan, and also played there in the semi final against Laois. After beating Wexford in 93 they played Westmeath in Tullamore. In 96 they played Westmeath in Mullingar. They played and lost to Meath and Kildare in 97 and 98. So you are talking through your hole on counties asking to move games to Croke Park.
Also, capacities outside of Croke Park - Portlaoise - 27k, Nowlan Park 24k, Dr Cullen Park 21k, O Connor Park 20K, Wexford Park 20k. 5 Stadiums that have 20k or over. Look at the attendance for Dublin double header games in Croke Park for the last few years. They have been shite in relative terms in a 83k capacity stadium. Split the games into single games and have home or provincial neutral venues. If Dublin were filling Croke Park for a stand alone game, then you would have some argument, but the ‘cash cow’ argument, IMO, of having them all in Croke Park is long past and is no longer worthwhile. Dublin arent attracting the crowd they once did, as opposing fans are expecting a hiding, and Dublin fans are bored and are waiting til later on. But take them out and you’d get a full ground and a county hoping to catch them out on their home patch.
And this bullshit argument of ‘Parnell Park’. Dublin havent played a league game in Parnell Park since 2010. They have played 19 games in a row ‘at home’ in Croke Park in the league.
Their championship stats are even more staggering. Someone above asking about Monaghans last 7 games. Would anyone be surprised that Dublin have now played 52 games in a row at Croke Park in the Championship? 52 games! They havent played ‘away’ since playing Longford in Portlaoise in July 2004. Thats fucking mental, no matter what way you look at it. And it doesnt look like changing. There is no way you cant say its not an advantage. Its unfortunate for Dublin to an extent to have this thrown at them, as the main stadium is in their city and they have been successful and the GAA are happy to reap the money off them, but still, it is most definitely a factor. Dublin dont make the fixtures, but they do benefit from them, and to blindly ignore it is foolish.
None of the above should take away from Dublin being an absolutely fantastic team either, I still believe if they were to travel in the earlier Leinster games they’d still be winning. But in the past few years, I fully believe that they would have lost some of those tight games had they been outside of Croke Park.[/QUOTE]
Here ya go Gman and all others who want to know why Dublin play their games are Croke Park
I know a lot of Dublin supporters who would love to travel down the country for a championship match, myself included.
[QUOTE=“Gman, post: 1003571, member: 112”]utter fucking shite.
Dublin travelled to play Wexford in Portlaoise in 1992 and the following year in Wexford. Thats off the top of my head, they travelled in the 90’s there was no request to go to Croke Park. It was far more beneficial for counties to have a packed home game than to go to Croke Park. But if you can show me some sort of reference to dispute this, then do so, otherwise your ‘hearsay’ of counties asking to go to Croke Park is shite.
Just checking then, they played Louth in 95 in Navan, and also played there in the semi final against Laois. After beating Wexford in 93 they played Westmeath in Tullamore. In 96 they played Westmeath in Mullingar. They played and lost to Meath and Kildare in 97 and 98. So you are talking through your hole on counties asking to move games to Croke Park.
Also, capacities outside of Croke Park - Portlaoise - 27k, Nowlan Park 24k, Dr Cullen Park 21k, O Connor Park 20K, Wexford Park 20k. 5 Stadiums that have 20k or over. Look at the attendance for Dublin double header games in Croke Park for the last few years. They have been shite in relative terms in a 83k capacity stadium. Split the games into single games and have home or provincial neutral venues. If Dublin were filling Croke Park for a stand alone game, then you would have some argument, but the ‘cash cow’ argument, IMO, of having them all in Croke Park is long past and is no longer worthwhile. Dublin arent attracting the crowd they once did, as opposing fans are expecting a hiding, and Dublin fans are bored and are waiting til later on. But take them out and you’d get a full ground and a county hoping to catch them out on their home patch.
And this bullshit argument of ‘Parnell Park’. Dublin havent played a league game in Parnell Park since 2010. They have played 19 games in a row ‘at home’ in Croke Park in the league.
Their championship stats are even more staggering. Someone above asking about Monaghans last 7 games. Would anyone be surprised that Dublin have now played 52 games in a row at Croke Park in the Championship? 52 games! They havent played ‘away’ since playing Longford in Portlaoise in July 2004. .[/QUOTE]
do you see any link between leinster finals always being in croke park except for one time since 1911 and Dubs playing so many games there?..also the Leisnter semi finals have been a double header there for the last while…add to that the fact that 1/4 finals onwards are all in croker…even the round before the quarters is sometime in croker too… so take out all those games from the 52 and that figure is more realistic…
there is no doubt playing on the same venue is an advantage…but the 2 things that grate are the fact that why now when dubs are winning its an issue and also the fact that people struggle to get their head round the fact the biggest games are always going to be played at GAA head quarters and the fact Dublin are usually there thereabouts for last few years increases the likelihood of them playing there…
I used to think the other way but Croke Park is de facto Dublin’s home ground and in every sport teams playing at home are regarded as having an advantage. In this case the pitch is different to every other pitch so it is an additional advantage.
It doesn’t explain Dublin’s success but if an under dog wants to win then on their own pitch is the better chance
Having said that other counties seem happy enough to go with it and it is not being imposed by Dublin but Meath playing Dublin in Navan have a better chance than Meath playing Dublin in Croke Park. The argument that sure you have to beat them in Croke Park eventually misses the point.
Bomber, Gman and MBB can cry all they want about Dublin constantly playing in Croke Park, but as that article in the times states that all other counties in Leinster are happy to have Dublin playing all their games in Croke Park then thats the way its going to stay. Maybe they should take it up with their club or county representatives. They only have themselves to blame.
Is the new Casement Park not going to hold much more than that?
HMRC doesn’t need to be spoonfed
The GAA struggle to sell their premium long-term tickets for Croke Park as it is. They’d never sell them if Dublin matches were moved out of there. Not saying it’s right that Dublin play every game there, but the cost of having a big premium stadium is that it needs to be given as many high profile matches as possible. That’s something every county pretty much signed up to.
You don’t see it as an advantage?
head in the sand stuff here
[QUOTE=“tazdedub, post: 1003583, member: 312”]Here ya go Gman and all others who want to know why Dublin play their games are Croke Park
I know a lot of Dublin supporters who would love to travel down the country for a championship match, myself included.[/QUOTE]
that has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted. I know why the Leinster council want the games in Croke Park. I dispute the revenue end of things. When the Leinster hurling went to shit and they took all games out of Croke Park, it was because they needed at a minimum 20 something thousand to break even.
Dublin play in double headers in Croke Park for 1/4 finals. The last 4 quarter finals attendance, as a double header were: 2014 - 40,960; 2013 - 33,008; 2012 - 31,000; 2011 - 41,786. Why do these need to be in Croke Park?
I have already said Dublin dont make the fixtures, but they do benefit from them. And I know Wexford are not in favour of playing Dublin in 1/4 finals in Croke Park. that article is one Leinster representative justifying why Dublin play there without giving any stats on votes or real reasons.
Are you both stupid. It doesn’t matter whether it’s an advantage or not the fact of the matter is that as long as the other counties in leinster and the Leinster council are happy for dublin to play all their leinster championship matches in Croke park then it’s not going to change. It is not dublin fault that the other are giving away their home advantage.
As for the qualifiers and quarter finals which are run by the gaa and not the provincial councils then it is up to gaa to decide where dublin play their matches.