[QUOTE=“ciarancareyshurlingarmy, post: 1009704, member: 464”]Football still comes down to winning midfield, ie. win kickout possession
I would have said Donegal won midfield but on checking the stats via Dublin matchtracker on twitter it says that Dublin won 19 of their 22 kickouts?
Is the advantage in being positioned to challenge the possession immediately and putting the player in possession and next receiver under pressure?[/QUOTE]
It’s more than just kick outs and Dublin go short for a huge amount of kicks, thus renders that stat a bit redundant.
Donegal won most of the vital one on one 50/50 battles around the middle. They have immense power around there in Murphy, McGlynn, Etc
You’re doing a great dis-service to Kerry there. They had Mayo all over the shop 15v15 with a superb tactical kicking game the first day.
It was Mayo who decided how Kerry would play in the replay.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1009756, member: 273”]You’re doing a great dis-service to Kerry there. They had Mayo all over the shop 15v15 with a superb tactical kicking game the first day.
It was Mayo who decided how Kerry would play in the replay.[/QUOTE]
I wanted to expand on my earlier point. Fitzmaurice spotted a massive weakness in the Mayo defence and he exploited it to the absolutely maximum. Why wouldn’t he? It’s a completely different game to the type they played against Cork. Horan’s stubbornness in his refusal to take off or move Cafferkey cost them big time.
what a load of bollox…you make it sound like it came from out of the blue when the truth is all of Ireland knew Mayo defence was suspect…but you think it was Fitzmaurice who unearthed it… completely inaccurate…
regards being a completely different game against a desperate cork…he was losing a match against a team with only 14 players and the plan wasn’t working…so he done what nearly every coach in the country does - he threw on the big man at the edge of the square for last 10 minutes and pumped in high ball…it worked…just like brogan bet cafferky to the high ball in last year’s all Ireland and Murphy did to Keane the year before…you make it sound like he re invented the game…its complete bullshit…
They weren’t given much of a chance in the build up and we’re leading with a minute or two to go. They got their tactics spot on made Donegal work very hard for their scores. Armagh were also missing two massive players in McKeever and Rafferty.
More excuses.
As Cody says, effort is easy. Armagh worked their balls off, no doubt about that. Their system though was based (as in counter acting Donegal) on high work rate which they were not completely able or yet conditioned for. That effort led to fatigue which led to poor defending near the end and also took away from their attacking and kick passing game which had been steadily improving.
Maybe they can build on it next year, but the tactics they employed, while they slowed Donegal, were ultimately too sacrificial of their own game.
Now I do take your point in how defending in certain ways can frustrate Donegal and there are parts if the Armagh game that Kerry could use. But overall I don’t think it would be in Kerrys best interests to adapt that kind of game.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1009756, member: 273”]You’re doing a great dis-service to Kerry there. They had Mayo all over the shop 15v15 with a superb tactical kicking game the first day.
It was Mayo who decided how Kerry would play in the replay.[/QUOTE]
I think you’ll find it was Mayo who decided how Kerry would played first day too as they didn’t go 15v15…mayo had mayo all over the shop… they dropped the half forward line back and gave Cunniffe a free role trying to cut off the pass to o donoghue and they basically hadn’t a clue how to play it… Kerry got monster scores like David Moran’s 2 points, fionn fitzgerald got forward for another in first half because Mayo invited them on …Mayo’s full forward line hadn’t the pace to cover all the space in front of them…it was only when they went back to their normal game plan did they began to dominate a Kerry team who had an extra man and a 5 point lead…If Mayo had drawn the game from the position Kerry were in just after half time Horan would have been ridiculed …
Dublin in first half yesterday showed how to do it - movement of forwards and patterns of play to drag defenders out of position and lads who can kick points. Missed two goal chances that go in on another day and they win easy.
If Dublin made any effort to defend centre half line they should have won.
Donegal in second half were really impressive. I thought they would run out of steam but once they got ahead the effort they showed to get up and down the pitch was incredible. Dublin lost momentum and composure and kicked silly wides
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1009810, member: 273”]More excuses.
As Cody says, effort is easy. Armagh worked their balls off, no doubt about that. Their system though was based (as in counter acting Donegal) on high work rate which they were not completely able or yet conditioned for. That effort led to fatigue which led to poor defending near the end and also took away from their attacking and kick passing game which had been steadily improving.
Maybe they can build on it next year, but the tactics they employed, while they slowed Donegal, were ultimately too sacrificial of their own game.
Now I do take your point in how defending in certain ways can frustrate Donegal and there are parts if the Armagh game that Kerry could use. But overall I don’t think it would be in Kerrys best interests to adapt that kind of game.[/QUOTE]
You’re not understanding the point I’m making or you’re choosing to ignore it. Armagh had Donegal spooked, they were on the cusp of pulling off a big shock and they came so close to doing it because they had their tactics spot on. Bog yourself down in the semantics as much as you want but Armagh showed the way to go about beating Donegal and had they being a little cuter or more crafty up front they would have.
He was a stand out Kerry minor when he went to UCC. There is a lot of horse shit written in the media about collages football and you are feeding into and believeing this Kev. Morgan did a fantastic job with UCC but people seem to think that he was working with far lower standard of player than at other collages. Crowley was a sub for Kerry during the league in 2011.
UCC were perceived as underdogs who had no “star” players this year or in 2011 when they won both finals. A lot of this reckoning is based on the assumption that because guys in UCD, DIT have bigger profiles due to starting for counties like Rroscommom, Laois, Galway, Kildare etc that these collages therefore have better players. I would reckon that it would be harder to make a Kerry/Cork panel than it would be to start on about 25/26 of the inter county teams in the country. James O’Donohoe being a case in point as someone in their mid 20s who only established himself last year and is now probably the best footballer in the country.
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 1009820, member: 2272”]Dublin in first half yesterday showed how to do it - movement of forwards and patterns of play to drag defenders out of position and lads who can kick points. Missed two goal chances that go in on another day and they win easy.
If Dublin made any effort to defend centre half line they should have won.
Donegal in second half were really impressive. I thought they would run out of steam but once they got ahead the effort they showed to get up and down the pitch was incredible. Dublin lost momentum and composure and kicked silly wides[/QUOTE]
It was not just down the middle either, the whole half back line were absent. Dublin thought they could win by imposing their game on Donegal and showed a certain arrogance by refusing to change up when Donegal got on top.