[quote=“glasagusban, post: 823207, member: 1533”]Sometimes I think you are wilfully retarded just to disagree.
On discipline, pretty much everyone agrees there should have been no sending off, which means discipline was kept, which means your point is idiotic.
Cork had won two games pretty well, my point was Dublin had closed out close games, and were on top in the key areas at half back and at half forward in the second half. The momentum and balance of play in the second half up til the sending off were with Dublin.
What happened after is irrelevant to this discussion because you cannot judge what would have happened had there been no sending off after the actual sending off had happened, you understand that don’t you?
I know you are wearing red tinted glasses but if you can’t recognise that there are valid reasons to suggest that Dublin would have won had there been no sending off then you are even more wilfully retarded than I thought.[/quote]
[quote=“Appendage, post: 823221, member: 11”]He was rightfully sent off.
Dublin were starting to dominate before it though. Let’s have a detailed argument about this.[/quote]
At the time I thought it was harsh, but like Roy Keane said after the Nani sending off against Madrid last year, ‘you’ve got to ask yourself, did I give the ref the opportunity to send me off.’’ I certainly think he did, he had a few fouls in between both cards too, so it was reckless in that sense.
Heard that. Some of them listed were very good -Galway hurlers cursed in 1923 for leaving mass early, Kildare cursed not to win an AI while there were sheep on the Curragh.
After half time until sending off scores were
Dublin - point
Cork - point
Dublin - point
Dublin - point
Dublin - point
Tom Kenny who is struggling is replaced
Cork point
Dublin point
Cork point
Dublin one point ahead
Sending off
free from foul for sending off Cork point
Scores level
Sending off was at 49 minutes - scores were Dublin 1-16 Cork 0-18 - Nash pointed the free to level it up
So assuming no sending off the scores were level at 49 minutes - not sure how that points to Dublin dominating -
Kenny going off was a turning point for Cork - they had scored three out of last four scores up to and including free for sending off
[quote=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 823254, member: 2272”]Half time Cork lead 0-15 to Dublin 1-11
After half time until sending off scores were
Dublin - point
Cork - point
Dublin - point
Dublin - point
Dublin - point
Tom Kenny who is struggling is replaced
Cork point
Dublin point
Cork point
Dublin one point ahead
Sending off
free from foul for sending off Cork point
Scores level
Sending off was at 49 minutes - scores were Dublin 1-16 Cork 0-18 - Nash pointed the free to level it up
So assuming no sending off the scores were level at 49 minutes - not sure how that points to Dublin dominating -
Kenny going off was a turning point for Cork - they had scored three out of last four scores up to and including free for sending off[/quote]
Stephan White did make a big improvement. But I also think it took Cork 8-9 mins to even adjust to the extra man, so there wasn’t that much of an advantage for a while.
And I’m really not getting where he thinks Dub half back line was dominant. Rushe was going well, but Harnedy was having a big influence as well.
Anyway Cork win, Limerick collapsed again and history continues to repeat itself. That’s what is hurting Glas the most.
[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 823271, member: 273”]Stephan White did make a big improvement. But I also think it took Cork 8-9 mins to even adjust to the extra man, so there wasn’t that much of an advantage for a while.
And I’m really not getting where he thinks Dub half back line was dominant. Rushe was going well, but Harnedy was having a big influence as well.
Anyway Cork win, Limerick collapsed again and history continues to repeat itself. That’s what is hurting Glas the most.[/quote]
Dublin raised their game for 10 mins or so as 14 man teams often do but ultimately Cork worked out how to use their extra man and Dublin couldn’t sustain the raised effort to make up for a lack of numbers.
The last jibe is a bit juvenile. I’ve acknowledged Limerick being well beaten by Clare, taken it and moved on to support Clare. Resorting to silly insults, a good sign you can’t win the argument. :rolleyes:
[quote=“glasagusban, post: 823289, member: 1533”]Dublin raised their game for 10 mins or so as 14 man teams often do but ultimately Cork worked out how to use their extra man and Dublin couldn’t sustain the raised effort to make up for a lack of numbers.
The last jibe is a bit juvenile. I’ve acknowledged Limerick being well beaten by Clare, taken it and moved on to support Clare. Resorting to silly insults, a good sign you can’t win the argument. :rolleyes:[/quote]
It wasn’t really a jibe you sensitive fuck, it’s was more a reasoning for your continual drivel, 3 weeks later!!!
[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 823293, member: 273”]It wasn’t really a jibe you sensitive fuck, it’s was more a reasoning for your continual drivel, 3 weeks later!!![/quote]Nothing continual, it started with an observation of a difficulty for Cork in the final, playing 15 men, the whole point of this thread being discussion of the final.
Problem is you’re too fuckin thick to see the difference between that and an insult to your beloved Cork team; a team playing a sport that you only just started watching again a couple of months ago, coincidentally when Cork started looking half decent again, and are now the Johnny come lately self-declared forum authority on all things hurling.
[quote=“glasagusban, post: 823301, member: 1533”]Nothing continual, it started with an observation of a difficulty for Cork in the final, playing 15 men, the whole point of this thread being discussion of the final.
Problem is you’re too fuckin thick to see the difference between that and an insult to your beloved Cork team; a team playing a sport that you only just started watching again a couple of months ago, coincidentally when Cork started looking half decent again, and are now the Johnny come lately self-declared forum authority on all things hurling.[/quote]
[quote=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 823254, member: 2272”]Half time Cork lead 0-15 to Dublin 1-11
After half time until sending off scores were
Dublin - point
Cork - point
Dublin - point
Dublin - point
Dublin - point
Tom Kenny who is struggling is replaced
Cork point
Dublin point
Cork point
Dublin one point ahead
Sending off
free from foul for sending off Cork point
Scores level
Sending off was at 49 minutes - scores were Dublin 1-16 Cork 0-18 - Nash pointed the free to level it up
So assuming no sending off the scores were level at 49 minutes - not sure how that points to Dublin dominating -
Kenny going off was a turning point for Cork - they had scored three out of last four scores up to and including free for sending off[/quote]
Dublin weren’t dominating, but scored 5 points to 3 between half time and sending off and 1 point ahead, Cork won by 5 points. The sending off defintely affected things and I thought the momentum was with Dublin before it. Nash scoring the free from the sending off was the major turning point in the game. O’Dwyer gave enough throughout the game to the ref to be sent off, whether the first yellow was justified or not, @Mark Renton point above being correct in my view. Its unfortunate, as it was a brilliant game and I’m not sure Cork would have prevailed if he had stayed on the pitch.
Preview by Anthony Daly and Donal Og last night on the Sunday Game focussed on Clare sweeper system and how Cork need to react to it. Mullane in the Independent today focussed on it as well.
I think Cork will look to play Harnedy or Cronin out around midfield and seek to pick off long range scores
I can see Clare going long into their full forward for the first ten or fifteen minutes with Collins moving for the breaks. If that happens then do Cork drop back their own sweeper.
Consensus seems to be that Murphy is fit and will go man to man on Kelly again.
