I’m ashamed to say I’d know very little about our underage footballers. Only the bits and pieces of pick up from the in laws.
Am I imagining it bit did I hear Walsh is going to Oz to try the oval ball?
Woo fuckin hoo
[quote=“Kinvara’s Passion, post: 762168, member: 686”]I’m ashamed to say I’d know very little about our underage footballers. Only the bits and pieces of pick up from the in laws.
Am I imagining it bit did I hear Walsh is going to Oz to try the oval ball?[/quote]
I think Faldo mentioned something about that on here a while back, he’d be a big loss, his size and his skill would be much more suited to Gaelic Football I’d reckon myself. I think the wing-back for Kildare today, Cribbin, had a spell down under with Collingwood, and in fairness, himself and most of his team-mates looked like they’d be more suited to the oval ball alright!
Got a filthy off the ball kick to the back of the knee that day by some little Dublin scumbag who’s probably injecting heroin as we speak. We had them beaten that day. He’s a hard worker which should guarantee him a chance with the seniors. Walsh is a different class to any I’ve seen at this level the last ten years bar Meehan. I saw the seniors play dublin in a challenge this evening, backs decent enough johnny Duane and Bradshaw were excellent. Midfield and forwards generally poor bar a few, Paul conroy more than held his own.
How did it finish up Maroon? We really are short of quality forwards at senior level at the moment, poor auld Michael Meehan is only a shadow of the player he was, thanks to injuries. Armstrong has never really delivered on his promise, and to be honest I don’t rate Conroy too highly either. Then you have the likes of Danny Cummins who is simply too small and Mark Hehir, who has been a disappointment since he joined the panel after the 2011 under 21 win. I suppose our first choice midfield pairing were playing for the under 21’s today so at least they’ll be rejoining the senior panel shortly.
A great GAA modern cliche is that “even if so and so doesn’t make it in Aussie Rules he’ll come back a much better player for the training he has done out there”.
I’m struggling to think of many that fall into that category. More often than not players come back too bulked up and having lost pace.
As I said before about Shane he’s a bit of a home bird and likes his football so I can’t see him going.
He’s breaking through on the snr panel now too…quality footballer,very good on both feet
[quote=“Sidney, post: 762200, member: 183”]A great GAA modern cliche is that “even if so and so doesn’t make it in Aussie Rules he’ll come back a much better player for the training he has done out there”.
I’m struggling to think of many that fall into that category. More often than not players come back too bulked up and having lost pace.[/quote]
Whatever about the old " you slow down by doing weights" thing being bull shit. AFL would definitely blunt your Gaelic skills. The sport is too dominated by endurance, poor S&C to go with that and too much fucking talking and meetings. Some Of the educational stuff would be good for GAA, but alot of it is fluff.
Now it’s 2-3 years ago, but I recently read Aidan O Se’s diary about time spent out here. The training they were doing was just stupid, a whole mosh mash of everything thrown in together. They are almost proud of the big injury % in the game indicating it’s because of the physical nature of it. The fact is they train themselves to injury and alot of early retirement, I don’t think it’s actually that more physical than Gaelic. If I were asked by any up and coming footballer should he come out here, I’d say come out for a month and get some sun and some gear and have a break, but don’t stay.
[quote=“Sidney, post: 762200, member: 183”]A great GAA modern cliche is that “even if so and so doesn’t make it in Aussie Rules he’ll come back a much better player for the training he has done out there”.
I’m struggling to think of many that fall into that category. More often than not players come back too bulked up and having lost pace.[/quote]
Begley
Brian Stynes.
Did Stynes come back and play GAA? No I think.
Begly is a good call, seems to have done him no harm. Marty Clarke had a massive year when he came back. Kenneally struggled fir a ling while but was certainly peaking by the end.
I think a players position and size matter, it’s not across the board. Your Gaelic fitness suffers though (on field run conditioning) IMO as AFL is far more stop start.
Dublin won by four, 2-16 to 18. Armstrong came on but did nothing. There was a two man full forward line of Hehir and cummins for the second half but they were just living on scraps. Cummins tries too many jinks he has the pace to skin lads or at least win frees but rarely tries it. Hehir is accurate but isn’t tall or fast so hard to see a niche for him. Good quality challenge game it was fast and plenty of hard hitting with a few minor scuffles, we led through a lot of the second half and they were rattled roaring at it each other to up it but a gifted goal lost the game, I think it was Keith Kelly who was caught in possession and they worked it all the way in for a tap in palmed goal. Midfield was Greg Higgins and Coleman but both had difficulty winning ball.
[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 762213, member: 273”]Did Stynes come back and play GAA? No I think.
Begly is a good call, seems to have done him no harm. Marty Clarke had a massive year when he came back. Kenneally struggled fir a ling while but was certainly peaking by the end.
I think a players position and size matter, it’s not across the board. Your Gaelic fitness suffers though (on field run conditioning) IMO as AFL is far more stop start.[/quote]
Eh Brian Stynes Kev.
[quote=“Sidney, post: 762200, member: 183”]A great GAA modern cliche is that “even if so and so doesn’t make it in Aussie Rules he’ll come back a much better player for the training he has done out there”.
I’m struggling to think of many that fall into that category. More often than not players come back too bulked up and having lost pace.[/quote]
Dermot mcnichol, Colin corkery, Michael shields, Nicholas Walsh. surely a spell as a pro has been of benefit to most players and would very much doubt it’s done many any harm. I’d say you’d be harder pushed to think of those
Never even knew he played AFL.
Dermot McNichol was a very pacey player and was the star of the Derry team that won the 1987 Ulster Championship. When he came back he looked fat and had lost his pace. He struggled to get a place on a very average Derry half-forward line when he came back.
Walsh didnt have much an inter-county career considering the hype about him.
Martin Clarke was another who had lost his pace when he came back to Gaelic Football although not his passing skills. He was a different type of player to what he was as a minor in Gaelic Football when he’d cut defences apart on solo runs.
Kevin Dyas has not had a great time since returning and Jamie O’Reilly hasn’t featured at all for Down.
[quote=“Sidney, post: 762307, member: 183”]Dermot McNichol was a very pacey player and was the star of the Derry team that won the 1987 Ulster Championship. When he came back he looked fat and had lost his pace. He struggled to get a place on a very average Derry half-forward line when he came back.
Walsh didnt have much an inter-county career considering the hype about him.
Martin Clarke was another who had lost his pace when he came back to Gaelic Football although not his passing skills. He was a different type of player to what he was as a minor in Gaelic Football when he’d cut defences apart on solo runs.
Kevin Dyas has not had a great time since returning and Jamie O’Reilly hasn’t featured at all for Down.[/quote]
For fuck sake Sid. Nobody continues on frOm Minor tearing thru defences. He would have had to adjust accordingly anyway.
You must remember the Aussie judge guys o. Skills, but more importantly on fitness and test results and physical potential. Just cos a guy was picked up by an AFL does not mean he was a sure thing County player. I’d guess any of these players would probably struggle anyway (if they are struggling) to be any further in their development than they are now.
I believe alot of the training is un-needed but one thing you come back to Ireland in great nick. A break for a week or two and you’ll be pretty well set up to get back to football. The major issues are as I described previously, the stop start nature of the marking in AFL takes a while to overcome ( I saw Shields really struggle with this on Return). Correctly picking the ball off the ground and soloing would also regress a bit, depending o. How long you were away.
[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 762365, member: 273”]For fuck sake Sid. Nobody continues on frOm Minor tearing thru defences. He would have had to adjust accordingly anyway.
You must remember the Aussie judge guys o. Skills, but more importantly on fitness and test results and physical potential. Just cos a guy was picked up by an AFL does not mean he was a sure thing County player. I’d guess any of these players would probably struggle anyway (if they are struggling) to be any further in their development than they are now.
I believe alot of the training is un-needed but one thing you come back to Ireland in great nick. A break for a week or two and you’ll be pretty well set up to get back to football. The major issues are as I described previously, the stop start nature of the marking in AFL takes a while to overcome ( I saw Shields really struggle with this on Return). Correctly picking the ball off the ground and soloing would also regress a bit, depending o. How long you were away.[/quote]
arent they the basics of bogball? a 10 year old could do those things ffs
You also learn to kick the ball in a completely different way.
True to an extent, although much to my surprise and amusement they find kicking te round ball way harder than visa-versa. The directional follow thru and where your toe ends up the ball ends up remains the same.
The aboriginals are the exception though, they find the round ball a piece of piss.