FFS sake. 
You are some gimp. Do you think sadaam should have been left there or removed?
Let it go. Jesus. You’re probably stripped to your waist shouting at the phone. You’re not outside supermacs now you roaster.
Thanks to the mods, whichever one of you did it.
Seeing as your reasonable ill reply to you. Obviously saying that sidney supported gassing people was a ridiculously stupid thing to say, said in temper, but it cant be taken back now. The idea that sadaam should have been removed and not left there i think is correct, i think anyone who thinks the opposite is ridiculous, thats a debate. Ill stand by the rest of my points, that one about sidney and anything personal i said about him was well out of order. I thought i could have a debate on here but it went nuts fairly quick. Now gimps like bandage are just repeating the stupid thing ive said, across various threads, to have a go when theres a few ganging up on me. I wanted this shite to end yesterday, read the thread, but i have to stand up for myself
I was brought into this thread by others, take it up with them
He was posting around 8 hours ago about the pointlessness of repetitive debates and long-winded essays and that he’d step back from it. And now he’s off again after being wound up by a couple of jibes. To @maroonandwhite 
Bush and Blair invaded Iraq without any justification - they lied about Saddam having weapons of mass destruction, and in doing so have blood on their hands for hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.
Saddam was obviously a tyrant, but leaving him at it would absolutely have been the lesser of two evils.[quote=“maroonandwhite, post:10, topic:21706, full:true”]
to save you banging your head against the wall i’ll summarise my opinion as follows.
Sadaam was a cunt, leaving him there out of fear of what might develop and leaving innocent people to his whims is a ridiculous notion. The invasion turned out to be a disaster out of total mismanagement by the greedy yanks. BUT sadaam wasn’t going to live forever, there would have been no smooth transition to democracy but guaranteed civil war. That’s what happened now, it would have happened eventually anyway but the international community could have managed it properly, but didn’t. They could have managed it by setting up three independent states, sunni, shi’ia and kurd. Iraq was constructed by the british foreign office 90 odd years ago, it was never a country, it would have a chance at peace if three separate territories. Ok one would probably become a region of iran, but would be peaceful with correct peace keeping left there. The gimps on here can feel great calling me dumb but just leaving a dictator in power out of fear of what might happen in his absence is ridiculous. especially a dictator who hated and subjugated huge groups of his own population and always would do. But the yanks fucked it, probably intentionally or at least recklessly. That’s my opinion, obviously hindsight shows that the invasion should never have happened or regime change should have been brought about another way, the break up of yugoslavia is an analogous situation i think. Their leader, essentially a dictator died, wasn’t removed. Peace talks and territorial divisions that finally, eventually worked there would have been the way to go in iraq. But the invasion turned out to be a robbery, that’s all.
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In hindsight, of course. But a properly structured removal could have resulted in no evil, not sadaam, or civil war.
That’s not realistic though mate. You can’t remove a dictator without a war, it isn’t possible[quote=“maroonandwhite, post:31, topic:21706, full:true”]
In hindsight, of course. But a properly structured removal could have resulted in no evil, not sadaam, or civil war.
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An assassination? You need some act of violence to usually remove one. If the country had fractured I’m sure he could have been tempted by a villa in the Bahamas. the way Iraq was set up, the country would not have survived post dictator, there would have been definite civil war, the international community had a chance to head this off with as peaceful a division as possible, a la Yugoslavia. there was a few years both Sunni and Shi’a United to fight the yanks, the closest thing to unity the country has ever seen. But they soon inevitably turned on each other. As was always destined after Saadam. This isn’t North Korea where if that dictatorship ended the country could move forward together, Iraq is not one nation, just made that way by the Brits.
Agree with a lot of that but I think your missing the point. I believe the invasion of Iraq was not an attempt to free the Iraqi people of a dictator, it was more so to unsettle a region and then pick off Syria and ultimately Iran etc.
It’s all about the dollar literally. The piece below from 2012 is worth a read.
Of course, as I’ve said her uncountable times now, it was a money grab. That’s an interesting article, I wonder what the updated situation is in 2016. While it’s a good thing that one countries influence is reduced given the US’s often greed driven reasons for foreign intervention, I still have a naive faith in American politicians desire at times to intervene for humanitarian reasons. Might be only a small impetus compared to their greed but it is there, and is present in the American public. While it’s important for fair trade that China and India aren’t beholden to the dollar, I dont think they have ever shown any interest in humanitarian missions abroad, they just want to grow their economies. And of course those cute hoors in Saudi now have the biggest countries and armies in the world as vital trading partners. China and India couldn’t give two fucks if Islamic extremism in Europe is being funded from Saudi, they just want to trade. Saudi becomes well protected in the process.
Islamic extremism is being driven by Saudi Arabia. The West may have to re-think their partnership with the Sunni’s down the line.
One thing which needs to be admired is Putin’s interpretation of this on-going geopolitical chess game. I fully believe Syria would be a failed state now akin to Iraq if he hadn’t of stepped in.
Of course, but he didn’t get involved out of the goodness of his heart. Saudi Arabia funds and spreads it and is almost untouchable. Massive problems ahead for countries their sponsored brain washing reaches, like Ireland. Especially for Muslims who want nothing to do with it.
Agreed. Whatever his motives an awful lot of lives were saved. He is actually making gains against ISIS which makes Turkeys downing of his planes more understandable.
The Saudis just killed 40 if their own there today, great bunch of lads our saudi friends
I had a pair of cream corduroy pants before…I got them caught on a spike on the top of a gate I was trying to climb over to get to my hostel room in Brasil. It was around 5am in the morning and another forumite had locked me out, on purpose. They were ripped from groin to foot as I dangled from the gate for a few seconds before pulling myself upright.