[quote=“chewy louie, post: 892610, member: 1137”]But then you are getting to the point where teams have to pay fairly sizable sums for matches to be played which will effect smaller clubs again, especially if you are proposing there be two referees.
While you may well get more people reffing that is no guarentee that the standard will improve especially if their main reason for reffing is greed[/quote]
Of course it does. Money brings standards to something’s. The Aussies have it nailed. There is total respect for th refs, they are all young and all fit. They feel it’s an obligation to stay up with the game.
It can be done except there are too many pig ignorant objectionist cunts like you around.
[quote=“TreatyStones, post: 892527, member: 1786”]It’ll crucify clubs who are struggling to field a team.
Lads will be afraid to tackle because they won’t have a sub to replace them. It’s just another rule brought in with only consideration given to inter-county teams.[/quote]
Smaller clubs are fucked, GAA wont be happy until we have amalgamations all across the board, its coming down the line, some Clubs are barely holding it off as things stand, this’ll fuck them completely.
There may be no alternative. Urbanisation/emigration has been seen as the bane of small clubs across the country but there’s a bit more to it than that.
Many clubs have gotten lazy and use the above as an excuse. The lack of new blood and volunteers in clubs is a far more worrying issue because, without these people to drive things forward, clubs are stagnating with all the work being left to a few diehards who are just worn down from it.
Playing 11, 12 or 13-a-side games will only make the strong stronger and the weak weaker. Also, players who have grown up playing small-sided games tend to struggle if called into county squads as the lack of space in 15-a-side can strangle them.
I agree with you in that I’d be no great fan of amalgamations as it can often mean linking up with a hated neighbour but modern practicalities have made it inevitable that we’ll see more and more of them. At least they guarantee that young fellas get the chance to play which is better than them playing no game at all.
[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 892628, member: 273”]Of course it does. Money brings standards to something’s. The Aussies have it nailed. There is total respect for th refs, they are all young and all fit. They feel it’s an obligation to stay up with the game.
It can be done except there are too many pig ignorant objectionist cunts like you around.[/quote]
I have no issues or objection with referees being paid be it €20 or €200 a game, it is a thankless job in a lot of sports and the money is hard earned. But your assertion that if you stick another €10 on the match fee will get the number of referees will increase is wide of the mark and if the fee is put up much more it would have a fairly big effect on clubs with small numbers.
I would think respect and a lack there of is as big if not a bigger issue for attracting referees into the game and it is not just an issue for GAA, soccer is the same.
[quote=“chewy louie, post: 892649, member: 1137”]I have no issues or objection with referees being paid be it €20 or €200 a game, it is a thankless job in a lot of sports and the money is hard earned. But your assertion that if you stick another €10 on the match fee will get the number of referees will increase is wide of the mark and if the fee is put up much more it would have a fairly big effect on clubs with small numbers.
I would think respect and a lack there of is as big if not a bigger issue for attracting referees into the game and it is not just an issue for GAA, soccer is the same.[/quote]
[quote=“Elvis Brandenberg Kremmen, post: 892647, member: 1624”]There may be no alternative. Urbanisation/emigration has been seen as the bane of small clubs across the country but there’s a bit more to it than that.
Many clubs have gotten lazy and use the above as an excuse. The lack of new blood and volunteers in clubs is a far more worrying issue because, without these people to drive things forward, clubs are stagnating with all the work being left to a few diehards who are just worn down from it.
Playing 11, 12 or 13-a-side games will only make the strong stronger and the weak weaker. Also, players who have grown up playing small-sided games tend to struggle if called into county squads as the lack of space in 15-a-side can strangle them.
I agree with you in that I’d be no great fan of amalgamations as it can often mean linking up with a hated neighbour but modern practicalities have made it inevitable that we’ll see more and more of them. At least they guarantee that young fellas get the chance to play which is better than them playing no game at all.[/quote]
A lot of fair points there, but I would debate it as being “the club getting lazy”, I honestly think people are lazy, and the people currently at the coalface in the Club are suffering from a lack of volunteerism. The recession was meant to take us all back to the good old days, but I’ve not seen this to be honest. Its simply down to lads using the Club as merely a place to play, and once they are done playing, moving on, taking up golf or some similar cuntology and giving nothing back.
Amalgamations have some things going for them, of that theres no doubt, but its sad to see a Clubs identity die as can be the case when one stronger Club swallows up another.
There are plenty of lunatics and idiots involved with GAA clubs who like nothing more to shout abuse at referees regardless of being right or wrong. Not every referee starting out is going to be top class and will make honest mistakes or miss things, just like players and mentors yet will ship far more abuse and this comes back to my original point, you have to have a love for the game and an interest in reffing to keep coming back and not just looking at it as a way to make a few quick euro - these lads won’t last too long when they realise how hard earned the money is. The better refs will always be the lads who have an interest in doing it and doing it right, regardless of the money. Which in my opinion is not the simple answer to this issue that you seem to think it is
Still seems to be a fair bit of inconsistency around the application of it and while it has gone smoothly enough at inter county level alot of that is due to the strenght of inter-county panels. It will be a different story when the club games swing into gear, where you have sub standard refs and clubs with a thin panel. Long term it will probably be a good thing.
Ref in Dublin Tyrone bottled a couple of early black cards and issued yellow instead. For this to work properly you need there to be a black or a yellow. Having both cards is giving refs a chance to fuck it up. A sin bin would have been a much better option.
I heard of a well known Limerick referee (who refs both soccer and football) was applying the advantage rule last week. Player was fouled running through on the 45 he managed to shrug off the challenge and carried the ball to 20m out and blazed the ball wide. The ref deemed this to be no advantage as he hadn’t scored so brought it back for a free in on the 45.