The leave voters made a reasonable decision based on the information available to them. Immigration was pushed constantly as being a crisis the eu was endlessly rubbishrd and the nhs lie was a central unchallenged plank which they ran from immediately
I saw an article from Saturday in a pro leave paper which outlined the effects on the piblic. It was effectively a list of the remain arguments they were describing as scaremongering two days before
The comments section was filled with leave supporters going nuts because the paper had spent the campaign rubbishing remain who were telling the truth
The idea that a preferential deal can be struck is deluded
Norway has to contribute money abide by the rules and allow free movement in ordet to access the eu.
Any country can veto any agreement for Britain so Norway and the entire eastern border countryâs are not going to allow a stop on travel i suspect which pretty much eliminates the basis for brexit
So have they rolled back on their entire leave platform already? This is a monumental clusterfuck.
âBritish people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI â the BDI â has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market.â
Access to the single market sounds like they are taking the Norway route. And that is a million miles away from what people believed they were voting for.
âYes, there will be a substantial sum of money which we will no longer send to Brussels, but which could be used on priorities such as the NHSâ
My hunch is they, we, I suppose in my current circumstances, will get fucked like Greece. End up signing for a much worse package than the one rejected.
99% of people will go about their business as usual. Anecdotes may or may not be true. There are some utterly depressing people puffing their bloated tattooed chests and bellys out in some sort if jingoistic pride on their way to sign on. Another thing England are better at than Johnny foreigner ; fat chavs.
Of course there are conspiracies. Far more often than not they tend to come to the surface.
Thereâs a difference betweeen recognising that and believing every tuppence hapenny bit of nonsense that idiots tend to believe, such as that there was a conspiracy to kill Kennedy. These people usually tend to support idiotic political campaigns such as Trumpâs or the Brexit campaign.
Watson is essentially a Blairite, firmly on the right-wing of the party. He did not support Corbyn, he had nothing to do with his election as leader, he has been out to get rid of him from day one.
This is obvious stuff and the fact you arenât aware of it is fairly astonishing given that youâre commenting on the subject.
Donât be so quick to ridicule Brexit as âidioticâ. It may yet turn out to be a very positive defining moment in history, but that remains to be seen.
âTo truth only a brief celebration of victory is allowed between the two long periods during which it is condemned as paradoxical, or disparaged as trivial.â
It was irrational and moronic, driven entirely by untrue allegations about the impact of immigration on Britons and good old fashioned racism. It was, as the Irish Times put it this morning, a bewildering act of self-harm.
From the LSE Brexit study:
âNew evidence in this Report shows that the areas of the UK with large increases in EU
immigration did not suffer greater falls in the jobs and pay of UK-born workers. The big
falls in wages after 2008 are due to the global financial crisis and a weak economic
recovery, not to immigration.â
âThere is also little effect of EU immigration on inequality through reducing the pay and jobs of less skilled UK workersâ
âChanges in wages and joblessness for less educated UK born workers show little correlation with changes in EU immigration.â
âAt the national level, falls in EU immigration are likely to lead to lower living standards for
the UK-born. This is partly because immigrants help to reduce the deficit: they are more likely
to work and pay tax and less likely to use public services as they are younger and better
educated than the UK-born. It is also partly due to the positive effects of EU immigrants on
productivity.â
Douglas Carswell on Sky News now, mad looking fucker railing against vested interests and hidden agendas. Doesnât immediately strike you as the guy whose side you would want to be on
Johnson, Farage, and Gove arepro-austerity establishment conservatives. It is not a victory for any protest movement. Itâs a victory for old school British xenophobia.
