Corbyn never resigned or was thrown out of the Labour party. Why on earth should he have resigned his seat?
Why should Chuka Umunna have resigned his seat if he was still in the Labour party because he consistently disagreed with Corbyn?
You do know these MPs have now actually left the Labour party?
Their situation is similar to that off Stephen Donnelly when he left the Social Democrats, or Lucinda Creighton when she left Fine Gael and set up Renua.
Sidney this is literally in the definition on Anti Semitism that Labour signed up to.
The continued peddling of this conspiracy is Alex Jonesesque. It really isn’t difficult to criticise people without putting it down to the Zionist global conspiracy.
7 people split off and a MP made the suggestion Israel could he funding it. Absolutely nothing to see here though.
There’s little point arguing with you. You are prepared to make any argument, and cast about in any effort of “whatboutery” to defend Corbyn. The thoughts that he could be the wrong guy for your aspirations of a hard-left future is so abhorrent that any justification can be made for him by you. The responses on here would suggest that the points I’ve made registered more with others than yours. That tallies with the idea that he is losing, perhaps already lost the centre-ground, the political space he has to win to be considered successful and to gain the power he wishes to wield.
As ever though, in your world view, you are completely right and all others are wrong. You retreat to your self-image of being the smartest person in the room and dismiss all others viewpoints out of hand.
That is rather the point though.
The clip of Tony Benn laying into Roy Jenkins being spun around by Corbyn fans has him going on about loyalty to the Party. “You were only anything because of the Labour Party”.
These people were allowed to run a Party within a Party. Blair never asked for them to be deselected. Corbyn was consistently given a platform.
Meanwhile there are reports that up to 100 Labour MPs are to be deselected with people like Owen Jones encouraging it. Corbyn has threatened people over and over on votes, including on Article 50. Apparently Labour have no responsibility over Brexit when Corbyn and Co. went and voted in favour of May’s disasterous decision to trigger it without any discernible plan.
That is why the “undermining” and “loyalty” thing is a load of claptrap.
What conspiracy?
Israel have a massive influence over how UK and US politics covers the Israeli-Palestinian situation - far in excess of what the Palestinians have.
That’s a fact.
I’m not referring to any comments anybody has made, by the way - just stating the blindingly obvious.
What similar lobby have Palestinians that frames coverage and political debate in the UK in a similar way?
If you want to debate straw men, as you clearly do, you should find a barn.
You didn’t respond to any of my points earlier when I wrote out a comprehensive reply to you.
Local constituency parties decide who runs.
That’s democracy, isn’t it?
I thought you liked democracy, or at least you claim to?
Why would someone put it out there that they are funding this?
Think about it a little bit there why don’t you.
Nobody knows who’s funding them because they haven’t published it, and they don’t have to because of the way they’ve set themselves up.
Doesn’t say much for their transparency, does it?
There is nothing anti-semitic whatsoever in suggesting that Israel are deeply unhappy that Corbyn is leading one the two major UK parties. And there’s nothing anti-semitic whatsoever to suggest that Israel has lobbied hard within UK politics and media for people to make his life as hard as possible. Especially a leader as single-minded and shamelessly corrupt as Netanyahu.
You’d want to be spectacularly naive to believe otherwise.
I think that’s fair enough.
@tallback was talking earlier about “inspiration”, and while he may not personally find Corbyn inspirational, there a lot of people, particularly young people, who did during that 2017 campaign, in a similar way to how Bernie Sanders was perceived by a lot of young people in the US.
I ain’t Corbyn’s spokesman .
They have said who is funding them actually, explicitly. It is from their own pockets and £5 to £500 donations that opened yesterday.
So essentially you’re calling them liars as well as cowtowing to anti Semitic dog whistling.
How on earth you cannot see the issue with a sitting MP peddling the Zionist conspiracy myth when one of the MPs left the party over documented anti Semitic abuse is really something else.
His recent numbers have cratered with that youth vote in the polls.
Corbyn lost the backing of his party. He consistently polls poorly. He lost an Election. In any normal circumstance he would have been out the door. But the entryists who have taken over the pretty know this is their chance.
It is slightly like May still being in situe, although the reasons for that are different.
Ok. Lets start with Corbyns’ mealy-mouthed opposition to the Brexit referendum in the first place. It was absolutely clear that he was happy to take a back seat and not lead. Instead of making the case to the marginalised communities that are his core voting constituents that Brexit wasn’t the solution to their genuine concerns he weaseled out of the whole debate. I’d say there’s a strong chance he voted leave himself based upon all his prior utterances/viewpoints on Brexit. So before we assess his response to the Brexit referendum were you, a Corbyn supporter, comfortable with his role in the Brexit referendum debate?
Since then, he’s clearly used Brexit as just a political device, hoping it will decimate the Tories and hand him a soft general election, hopefully after any real decision on Brexit has to be made. The Labour position on Brexit has slipped and slided, is largely incoherent and wants to be all things to all men. Where’s the leadership in that? Even his latest gambit of a kinda customs union but not a customs union is weasel words. If he believes in a customs union etc why not stand up for it and make the case that it is madness to leave in a manner which makes the UK a rule-taker.
Perhaps young people were inspired as you say in the last election by him - however to my mind since then its clear there is nothing inspirational in his actions. Again - I ask the question, in your view is he the best that the hard-left have in the UK. Is that all there is? Are you proud of his performance since becoming leader? Is he everything you expected?
That’s a really silly response. You’re much better than that.
And do not forget that Corbyn came out immediately after Brexit to say that Article 50 should be invoked straight away.
He three line whipped his party to vote for A50.
All of this when he didn’t have a negotiation policy (and nor did the Government).
Brexit and the aftermath is a shitbed the Tories lie in but this pretending that it isn’t a problem across U.K. politics (save for your Lib Dems and SNP of the world) is an utter nonsense. No clue across the board on what they wanted and all mealy mouthed unicorn statements.
Oh, they’ve said, have they?
Have they published it?
Maybe they have but they’ll likely still return if there’s a general election as the alternative is far worse.
He’s a much better campaigner than May too.
Labour got nearly 13 million votes which was miles better than 2015 and their highest since 1997.
“Entryism” blah blah blah, what nonsense.
Much as some people might like it, there isn’t an entrance exam to become a Labour party member where anybody who doesn’t subscribe to neo-liberalism is shown the door.
Normal people might say that a large influx of young people into a political party is a good thing.
Your view seems to be little more than “keep the riff raff out”. A disgustingly elitist position.
Corbyn doesn’t want power. He just wants an ideologically pure party where he can talk shite with his old mates. If he was Irish he’d be a GAA committee diehard going to meetings every night.
I didn’t think he was great during the referendum. But then neither was Ed Miliband during the Scottish referendum, or Cameron in either referendum. The whole campaign was rubbish.
It’s a position which recognised the referendum result. You might not like it, and I’m not too gone on it either, but it’s a legitimate position to hold.
As I said, if you say Corbyn is an “enabler”, there’s a long list of smilar people, including prominent Remainers.
I don’t think he’s a brilliant leader by any stretch of the imagination but he holds a lot of views I agree with and that’s more important.