British Politics

Sidney · February 19, 2019, 2:14pm

So there would have been a crisis. And would you have been blaming Cooper, Umunna or whoever for that?

And what would have been the alternative policy?

Would it have been a softer Brexit, as Corbyn wants? Would it have been a second referendum, as a lot of people, but not enough, want? Would it have been Liechtenstein, as a lot of people but not nearly enough want, and which the Liechtensteiners and Norwegians do not want?

Is anybody who has voted for any aspect that even considers Brexit, ie. Article 50, or May’s deal, or has called for a softer Brexit, an enabler too?

That’s a hell of a lot of enablers if so.

It includes Ken Clarke, Yvette Cooper, Chuka Umunna and the SNP, the SDLP and Sinn Fein.

There’s even an argument to be made, I don’t think I agree with it, but some hold it, that the fervent arch-Remainers, through their failure to compromise and demands for a second referendum, are enabling the Tories towards pushing for a crash out.

Corbyn has at least tried to compromise and is trying to avoid a crash out above all.

While the Tory headbangers are pushing full speed for it.

Yet Corbyn is equally to blame, apparently.

Narratives and preconceived notions and all that.

None of these amendments you speak would really have any difference. Legislation would still have had to have be brought and passed because a crash out is the default in law, and likely wouldn’t have passed.

tallback · February 19, 2019, 2:27pm

Look it, you’re right - you’ve convinced me. Corbyn is a great leader, a man for our times, a guy to get behind and one you’d be confident to lead a country. He’s the bestest little man in all of Labour and he has delicately and skilfully plotted a course for his party and country. Future books will rave about him. A giant of our times. How foolish the naysayers are - history will castigate them. Long live Corbyn …

tazdedub · February 19, 2019, 3:20pm

Corbyn is our Leader.

anon61878697 · February 19, 2019, 3:22pm

The leader is good, the leader is great…

tazdedub · February 19, 2019, 3:23pm

All hail Supreme Leader Corbyn.

iron_mike · February 19, 2019, 3:23pm

Hes not even intelligent enough to be a cunt.
A coward maybe but not a cunt

balbec · February 19, 2019, 3:35pm

Juhniallio · February 19, 2019, 4:12pm

Dont think thats very fair Mike. Corbyn has re-engaged a large portion of the public, particularly the young and disaffected, with politics, something very few people could have done. He has also brought some of the ideas of the hard left to the fore, which can only be good for Britain or whats left of it after brexit.
It’s the actually doing stuff part of the job which has remained beyond him. But he’s not the first or the last politician who failed on that front. Particularly in opposition.

Tim_Riggins · February 19, 2019, 4:21pm

Tim_Riggins · February 19, 2019, 4:54pm

Hypocrisy

cowpat · February 19, 2019, 5:16pm

Will someone tell me how that fucking gowl Kate Hoey is in the labour party? She’s a DUP head all the way…

Ashman · February 19, 2019, 5:19pm

The labour rebels must resign their seats and give the chance of a peoples vote on themselves . They were elected on a labour manifesto in last election

Tim_Riggins · February 19, 2019, 5:22pm

Why didn’t Corbyn resign when he went against his own Party platform hundreds of times?

Tim_Riggins · February 19, 2019, 5:29pm

That pesky Israel and Zionist conspiracy obsession again.

Sidney · February 19, 2019, 5:32pm

Lame response

Sidney · February 19, 2019, 5:34pm

That’s rich considering a lot of your political “causes” are all over the “Soros” dog whistle.

The anti-abortionists this morning being the latest one I’ve seen.

Sidney · February 19, 2019, 5:37pm

Why do you appear to believe political parties should be cults?

That’s the only conclusion one can come to from your post.

Tim_Riggins · February 19, 2019, 5:37pm

The Soros dog whistling is absolutely pathetic.

Anymore “whataboutery”?

Tim_Riggins · February 19, 2019, 5:40pm

Where did I say that?

You stated that Corbyn was undermined internally. Corbyn fans also now say that they stood on a Labour manifesto so why won’t they go for a by election.

Why wasn’t Corbyn held to the same standard when himself and others had their party within a party?

I read one say it was “because Jeremy was always principled”.

Like the times that he voted against Europe, an EU he pretended to want to stay in while not bothering his hole to campaign for.

Apparently Labour Party members who were sick and tired of the party leadership over things like enforcing a three line whip on voting for Article 50 don’t have principles though.

Sidney · February 19, 2019, 5:42pm

It’s funny though how supporters of the political “causes” you suppport tend to go for that dog whistle though, isn’t it?

As well as the “cultural Marxist” claptrap which is arguably anti-semitic too.

You were engaging in whataboutery just a few posts ago, and you engage in it regularly.

There are legitimate issues as regards Israel’s influence over politics and media in the west.

They’re absolutely entitled to try and influence things via lobby groups, but they have in my view an unhealthy degree of influence. Of course if you point that out, supporters of Israel immediately play the “anti-semite” card. Though people like Trump, Viktor Orban and Rodrigo Duterte are usually just fine with them.