Apparently the Seeds are after tonight
1st Seeds
Barca
Chelsea
Liverpool
Manchester United
Ac Milan
Arsenal
Sevilla
Bayern Munich
2nd Seeds
Lyon
Inter
Real Madrid
Cska Moscow
Porto
Az Alkmar
Juventus
Rangers
3rd Seeds
Olympakiaos
Marseille
Dinamo Kiev
Stuttgart
Fiorentina
Athetico Madrid
Bordeaux
BeĹźiktaĹź
4th Seeds
Wolfsburg
Standard Liege
Maccabi Haifa
Zurich
Rubin Kazin
Unirea Urziceni
Apoel
Debrecen
was worried about the huns been in pot 2 but most teams in pot 3 would beat them
Rangers seeded with Real Madrid 
How are Arsenal first seeds above Inter?
Surely the fact that Inter are actually champions of Serie A counts for more than previous Champions League record?
The usual what draw would be the easiest and what draw would be the hardest Ill do now.
Ideal Draw
United
Rangers
Dinamo Kiev
Apoel
Toughest Draw
United
Real Madrid( Purely for Ronaldos return)
Fiorentina
Wolfsburg
[quote=“farmerinthecity”]How are Arsenal first seeds above Inter?
Surely the fact that Inter are actually champions of Serie A counts for more than previous Champions League record?[/quote]
Sevilla over Inter is more shocking.
It’s based on the last 5 years of European competition, without taking domestic achievements into consideration. I think the anomaly still exists in that you get the same amount of co-efficient points per win in the Champions League as you do in the UEFA Cup/Europa League. That probably explains why Sevilla are top seeds - they won the UEFA Cup twice over the last few years.
Wasnt think about the Uefa Cups they won. I presume United will go higher when the group stage exit will be discounted. 
They’ve ironed that out a small bit by giving you extra points for getting to the group stages of the CL so while matches earn you the same points in either competition, you get a little something extra just for progressing to CL. It’s still not enough of a copmensation and explains why the huns are seeded far higher than Celtic despite not being in the CL nearly as regularly recently.
Maccabi Haifa, jaysus Bohs would have done them if we had beaten Dinamo Zagreb, if we had beaten the Bullies…you get the picture
Looking for a decent Champions League game in Spain in October because that’s when I’m on holidays, bring it on…
Sky Sports News presenters will combust if Manchester United draw Real Madrid.
Can you imagine my reaction?
Apoel make it two cypriot teams in as many years to make the group stages…Wouldn’t have thought that the Cypriot league would have much more resourses than the LoI or possibly even less…don’t think there are a million people in Cyprus either…Fair play to them, their representatives last year(can’t remember their name) more than held their own, think they even got a draw against Inter
Van Der Sar goalie of the year.
Liverpool Group E. Off the hook.
Anorthis Famagusta- We poached their manager [Former hoarding attacking lunatic Temuri Ketsbaia] over the summer.
Platini
Paulo
Not a friend of the Epl.
The footballer, the administrator is irrelevant. Platini was a maestro, no Brady mind you