Champions League Semi Finals

Two really good games in store.

Bayern have a few problems tomorrow - Mandzukic is suspended and Kroos is injured. So that’s two of their harder working forwards absent. It will mean Ribery, Robben and Mueller all starting (which is a very attacking trio of attacking midfielders/forwards) and Gomez will presumably start up front who isn’t anything like the workhorse that Mandzukic is, though he is a better goalscorer.

Messi has been training for Barca so will presumably be fine to play in the first leg.

Lewandowski is reportedly carrying a knock ahead of the Wednesday game but I imagine it’s probably just a minor thing.

[SIZE=5][U]Horncastle: Bayern may “only have an A team” but missing Kroos and Mandzukic could hurt against Barça[/U][/SIZE]

Hannover could perhaps have been forgiven for thinking that maybe, just maybe this was going to be their afternoon.
Their opponents Bayern Munich, who had been crowned champions of Germany earlier than anyone in the 50-year history of the Bundesliga and for the first time in two years a fortnight earlier, had lost on three of their last four visits to the AWD Arena. And with the first leg of their Champions League semi-final against Barcelona on Tuesday night in mind, coach Jupp Heynckes had chosen to rest a number of players.
As the team sheets were read out, club captain Philipp Lahm, fellow defender Dante and midfielders Bastian Schweinsteiger and Javi Martinez were just some of the names conspicuous by their absence from the visitor’s starting line up.
There’s a chance here, Hannover manager Mirko Slomka presumably believed, a slim one admittedly, that a supposedly ‘second string’ Bayern side with nothing to play for, their players’ heads perhaps already distractedly thinking about Barcelona, were vulnerable to a slip up that would allow his own stuttering team, one that’s in transition, to end their recent slump and keep their feint chances of qualifying for the Europa League again alive.
It was to prove wishful thinking. By half-time, Bayern had a 3-0 advantage. A Lars Stindl own-goal and strikes from Frank Ribéry and Mario Gomez allowed Heynckes to rotate his squad even further. Ribéry was taken off at the interval and replaced by Xherdan Shaquiri while Arjen Robben stood in for Thomas Müller. There was no let up.

Once Gomez got his second of the afternoon and Bayern’s fourth just after the hour-mark, Heynckes substituted him as well. Hannover, beaten and bruised at this point, perhaps thought their opponents would show some mercy and decide to go easy on them now. But Bayern chose not to. They were utterly relentless.
Veteran striker Claudio Pizarro, who’d played Ribéry and Gomez through on goal in the first half, capped an outstanding performance by getting himself on the scoresheet not once, but twice, his second coming barely a minute after Hannover pulled one back through Andre Hoffman, acting as yet another reassertion, if one were necessary, of Bayern’s hegemony.
A 6-1 victory was their 26th in the league this season, a Bundesliga record, and also their ninth in a row on the road too, another landmark achievement. Their goal difference of +75 is better than any other team’s goal scored. Already on 81 points, equaling Dortmund’s history-making total from last season, Bayern have four games to add to it.
But let’s return to Saturday. Because, as you can imagine, Heynckes was delighted.
One segment of his post-match press conference in particular resonated. “Once again,” he said, “the players have proved we don’t have a B-team, we only have an A-team. The players are just enjoying their football, and our attitude is superb. Every man was totally motivated, we put together some very fluid moves, we showed great discipline and we created outstanding goals. We laid the foundations for a big win in the first half.”
It’s worth picking up on a couple of things from that. Heynckes’ statement that “we don’t have a B-team” on the one hand serves to remind everyone of Bayern’s extraordinary strength in depth and on the other reinforces the perception within the dressing room that everyone is an “A-team player.” That in turn, you might argue, is why “every man was totally motivated”, because no one feels on the fringes, everyone believes they’re involved and that their contribution is appreciated.
To have created that spirit, that dynamic is perhaps Heynckes’ best work at Bayern.
No more so will it be tested, though, than against Barcelona. Or will it? “This is the ideal moment to face Barça,” Javi Martinez told Marca. Barcelona have ‘only’ won one of their last five Champions League games. And that, lest we forget, was the ‘reports of our demise have been greatly exaggerated’-performance against Milan in the Round of 16 when they overturned a 2-0 first leg defeat with a stunning 4-0 win in the second.
Lionel Messi, you might say, got them out of jail on that occasion as he did once again in the final half-hour of their quarter-final against Paris Saint-Germain when he shrugged off an injury to come on and inspire his teammates to find the equaliser they needed to go through on away goals.
Barcelona do have defensive frailties too. Carles Puyol and Javier Mascherano are out injured. Adriano is suspended, which means Gerard Pique will either be partnered by Marc Bartra, Alex Song or the remarkable Eric Abidal, who made his first starting appearance against Levante on Saturday after recovering from the liver transplant he had over a year ago.
Bayern, you anticipate—are along with Real Madrid—better-placed to exploit Barcelona’s apparent weaknesses than any of their opponents this season. But it’s here that we should perhaps go back to Heynckes’ claim that “we only have an A-team.” Because, although Bayern have a wide range of options available to them, you still feel that they’re going to miss Mario Mandzukic, who’s unjustly suspended for the first leg, and the injured Toni Kroos.
Gomez is expected to stand-in for Mandzukic on Tuesday night. The German is arguably more of a goal threat than the Croat. But the question is: can he work as hard and play the ‘defensive’ centre-forward role as well as Mandzukic? He was exceptional in the first leg against Juventus, holding up the Bayern long-ball, pressing the short one played out from the back by their opponents, retreating into his own half to ensure his team kept a good shape when out of possession, even winning a number of tackles.
His absence, you suspect, will be felt. As will that of Kroos. Wonderful against Real Madrid in last season’s semi-final, his ability to work in tight spaces, find and open up new ones, retain the ball, circulate it and play that killer pass mean he’s exactly the kind of player Bayern could do with on this particular occasion and against this particular opponent.
With Kroos and Mandzukic in his starting XI, Heynckes perhaps would have spoken about “an A+ team.” Instead, he’ll have to make do with the “A”. Bayern are so formidable, though, that it may still be just enough to make the grade against Barça.

Klopp seems like a thoroughly alright sort. On the Goetze deal:

“He is the main target of Guardiola. I can’t shorten myself by 15cm and start speaking Spanish.”

“I knew it the day after the return leg with Malaga. Last year we activated a €17m release clause for Reus and Gladbach weren’t happy.”

Mourinho said he talks too much the other day and Klopp replied: “He’s right - my teachers told my parents that all the time.”

the lack of posts on what is going to be an amazing game shows the EPL barstoolers on here up for the clowns they are

I predict 2 away wins. PP is offering 8/1 on this happening.

No chance,2 draws at best there.Barca away this season have been poor and Bayern are very very strong.

I think the two Spanish teams will win the first leg encounters. I think the absence of Kroos and Mandzukic will be fairly significant tonight.

Certainly a problem for Bayern but Barca are vulnerable at the back, not sure Song or Bartra are good enough - though the latter is better - and Abidal can hardly be ready.

The balance of possession will be interesting. Barca will surely have more of it but both teams will be relying on significantly less of the ball than they’re used to. I think Bayern might be better suited to cope with that.

[SIZE=6][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=36px]Bayern Munich v Barcelona: tactical preview[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE]

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The draw for the Champions League semi-finals produced two fascinating ties.
Germany and Spain are the leading two nations in European football at the moment – Italian football is going through a transition period, while the Premier League has declined suddenly, but not irreversibly, from the latter part of the last decade.
The ties are perfectly set up – one based around transitions, the other based around possession. 2011/12 champions against each other, and 2012/13 champions against each other.
This is the latter. Barcelona may not be European champions, but they remain the side to beat. Their performance in European competition over the past four years has been highly impressive – two European Cups interspersed with two semi-final defeats.
Barca’s two aggregate defeats – to Inter[/URL] and [URL=‘http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/04/25/barcelona-2-2-chelsea-tactics/’]Chelsea[/URL] – came when Pep Guardiola’s side were unable to break down parked buses (both reduced to ten men) at the Camp Nou in the second leg. Inter coach Jose Mourinho famously claimed he didn’t want his side to have the ball, for fear it would drag his players up the pitch and concede space in behind. [URL=‘http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/apr/29/jose-mourinho-never-coach-barcelona’]“We gave the ball away,” he said.
It’s hard to imagine Bayern will replicate that defensive approach throughout this tie. Because of the passing quality of Jupp Heynckes’ side, more than at any time in the previous five years, there’s a decent chance Barcelona will be outplayed at their own game in the European Cup.
It barely needs outlining precisely what ‘Barcelona’s game’ is after five years of dominance, but few other sides have been so determined to emphasise the importance of their philosophy. Recently the club posted a short article on their website boasting that they’ve now gone 300 consecutive games of possession dominance, a run stretching back to before Pep Guardiola took charge. They’ve helped popularise the concept of ‘possession battle’, while simultaneously ensuring that no proper battle actually occurs – they’re just too good at keeping the ball.
The article notes that Bayern are the closest challengers in this regard. In Europe’s major five leagues, Barcelona average 69.6% of possession, Bayern are next best on 63.6%. No-one else is on more than 58.9%.
Similarly, Barcelona’s pass completion rate is 89.7%, Bayern’s 87.4%, and no-one else above 86.1%.
Even before Pep Guardiola announced he was moving to Munich in the summer, Bayern had increasingly become based around ball retention. Their 2009/10 side[/URL], which reached the final and is still similar to the current starting XI, mixed good ball retention with a counter-attacking threat, but their progress to the final that season was more based around the latter. From the first game of the following season, [URL=‘http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/08/21/bayern-2-1-wolfsburg-heartbreak-for-mcclaren-as-schweinsteiger-strikes-late/’]the 1-0 win over Wolfsburg[/URL], their possession play was much more pronounced – it’s not unreasonable to suggest that[URL=‘http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/07/07/spain-1-0-germany-2010-world-cup-tactics/’]Germany’s 1-0 defeat to Spain that summer in South Africa, a clear demonstration of proactive football getting the better of reactive football, contributed, considering how many Bayern players played for Germany, and how many Barcelona players played for Spain. Louis van Gaal was also clearly a major factor.
Bayern have been heavily influenced by Barcelona[/URL] – now, they have the chance to defeat them [URL=‘http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/espnfcunited/id/5154?cc=5739’]to signify a power shift[/URL] before [URL=‘http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2013/apr/23/bayern-munich-barcelona-pep-champions-league’]Guardiola arrives.
Pressing
A common feature of matches between two passing sides is that the game doesn’t actually become about passing – it becomes about pressing. Passing sides understand the value of possession football, so as well as keeping the ball for long periods themselves, they try to disrupt the opposition’s play. When Barcelona have faced sides with comparable (if not equal) ball-playing ability – particularly Arsenal (the second time around[/URL] [URL=‘http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/03/31/arsenal-2-2-barcelona-tactics-ibrahimovic-walcott-fabregas/’]once Arsenal had been stunned by Barcelona’s pressing in the initial meeting)[/URL] and [URL=‘http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/11/14/barcelona-3-1-villarreal-open-exciting-game/’]Villarreal (one of the best matches Barcelona have been involved in during the Guardiola/Vilanova reign) – pressing has been a major feature.
Barcelona have pressed less energetically under Vilanova than under Guardiola – they don’t win the ball back as quickly, which means their defence has come under more pressure this season. Absences at centre-back have been a constant issue, but Barcelona’s major problem – the lack of clean sheets – is partly because of their relative lack of proactive defensive work at the other end of the pitch. Whereas Barcelona’s front three used to press constantly until the 90th minute, now they stand off more. The advantage, of course, is that it’s less draining – and Barca haven’t suffered the dip in fitness levels that was evident in Guardiola’s final two seasons.
They’ll surely press more frantically in this match, and Vilanova will have been encouraged by how badly Bayern started in their second leg against Juventus, when Bastian Schweinsteiger became flustered by the surprisingly high tempo, and had a shocking first 30 minutes before gradually dominating once the tempo had calmed.
That was particularly odd given that Bayern pressed Juve so effectively in the first leg. However, the absence of both Mario Mandzukic (for two astonishingly small transgressions against Juve) and Toni Kroos (through injury) is a blow – they both press very well, and Bayern’s replacement forward – Mario Gomez or Claudio Pizarro – won’t bring Mandzukic’s energy. Bayern might have to sit deeper.
Either way, this is a crucial part of the game. From a starting point of passing, the game becomes about pressing, and then back to passing – which side can pass out of defence more comfortably, and get the ball into midfield.
Midfield zone
That’s effectively the build-up to the main part of the game – the central midfield zone. Ideally, Heynckes would have got numbers into the centre of the pitch with Kroos dropping deep from the number ten position, as he did brilliantly against Real Madrid last year, and Thomas Muller moving inside from the right. That’s not possible, so instead, Muller will play at the top of the midfield, presumably with Arjen Robben playing on the right.
The only alternative is a midfield trio of Javi Martinez, Luis Gustavo and Bastian Schweinsteiger – that remains unlikely.
Muller doesn’t share Kroos’ intelligence in a positional sense, but he is tactically disciplined and hard-working. He might not contribute significantly to possession play, but he could prove very useful by replicating the role Ezequiel Lavezzi played against Sergio Busquets in the quarter-final – occupy Busquets when Barcelona have the ball, sprint in behind when possession is won.
That would leave Javi Martinez against Andres Iniesta, and Bastian Schweinsteiger against Xavi Hernandez. The latter duel is most important in deciding who gets the upper hand in terms of possession, but Martinez’s role is also very important against the side who tried to buy him last summer. It will be interesting to see how often Martinez and Busquets drop into the defence, allowing their sides to play out more easily through the opposition press.
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Although Guardiola often used Iniesta in the forward three for big matches like this, trying to bring more ball retention ability to the side, it’s difficult to see Vilanova doing the same here because of the problems between Cesc Fabregas and Andres Iniesta against Milan. Instead – assuming Lionel Messi is fit – he’ll probably play deeper than usual, almost as a number ten, to help overload Bayern.
Bayern front two v Barcelona defenders
This is about who copes better with unavailable players. Mandzukic and Kroos’ unavailability is a real shame for the tie as a whole, but Barcelona have a problem at centre-back with Carles Puyol and Javier Mascherano out. Eric Abidal might not be risked considering his lack of playing time recently (although he’s often been thrown into matches without any problems since his health problems first emerged), and Marc Bartra seems the obvious option.
Bartra’s a decent young player, but Bayern will look to test him. Pizarro’s all-round game is better than Gomez’s, so he seems the best bet – although both scored twice at the weekend.
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Barcelona front three v Bayern defenders
Messi’s position will cause Bayern’s centre-backs problems – in all probability, they’ll stand off and let Messi wander into deeper zones.
Vilanova’s selection of wide players will be interesting. Pedro, for his discipline and energy, is a sure starter – him up against Philipp Lahm makes sense, although David Alaba also needs to be tracked. The identity of Barca’s third forward is unknown – it could be Cristian Tello, Alexis Sanchez or David Villa. Sanchez seems the best option because of his pace in behind – he (or Villa) could take up a reasonably central role to occupy the centre-backs, although if Vilanova is being cautious and wants the Bayern full-backs pinned back, he might use Tello.
Flanks
Despite attempting to compete in the centre of the pitch, Bayern might have some joy in wide positions. Assuming Franck Ribery and Robben start, they’ll look to exploit the space in behind Daniel Alves and Jordi Alba – although they must, of course, track them defensively.
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chewy, any chance of bullet points for that one? I’ve become bored of Zonal Marking lately.

Neuer; Lahm, Boateng, Dante, Alaba; Schweinsteiger, Martinez; Robben, Muller, Ribéry; Gomez

Valdes; Alves, Bartra, Pique, Alba; Xavi, Busquets, Iniesta; Pedro, Messi, Alexis.

Not much insight. Game based around possession. Some key absentees. Strange belief that Pizarro will start for Bayern. Odd comparison that Arsenal matched Barca on the ball the last time they met, just couldn’t press as much.

Mandzukic is a huge loss,
he is a big fucking awkward oaf of a man but thats exactly the option you want against Barca if needed as they dont like it up them
Looking at the teams , im happy Van Buyten is out as he is an obvious weak link at the back for Munich, with him in there it could be carnage with the pace of Barcelona
cant see schweinstager doing it tonight tho in the middle, this is where the game will be won, and itll be won be Barcelona

barca to take a 2-0 lead to Munich

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barca to take a 2-0 lead to Munich[/quote]

First leg in Munich Michael.

ah fuck, ive that all wrong, cheers

ok, Barca to take a 2-0 lead back to the Nou Camp

Barca are scum.

Bayern are scum.

If it were possible I’d like both teams to lose. They play a similar style of football, only one is characterised by tippy-tappy whiny fairies and the other is implemented by big dull robots This semi-final game has discombobulated my love for the game. At least Mandzukic is not playing, the way he plays the game is nothing short of disgraceful.

I will go for a 2-2 draw here.

Pass it Robben FFS

I’m backing the Catalan scum in this one. Bayern are now my most hated continental side.

Quite unusual to see Barca wearing their home hit in an away European tie.