Did you read my post fully? If so, read it again slowly.
[QUOTE=âcarryharry, post: 1014658, member: 1517â]Has anyone stopped and thought that Davy is quiet happy to continue on without Podge? Itâs not like Clare are short* on exciting young forwards coming through the ranks at underage level.
If he is happy without the small lad on the panel, it makes a great gesture of âfall inâ to the panel for next year. A kind of " Steve Staunton " Iâm the boss statement.
*excuse the pun about short arse P Collins[/QUOTE]
There are other alternatives so I donât think the loss will be felt in that regard but Podge was a very popular lad within the panel and he will be a loss in that regard. I donât think it is a case of laying down a marker, the hurling management gave the duel role a go last year and feel that it isnât working and I would agree. Management also dropped another player from the starting team due to him missing a couple of weeks of training due to work commitments which I would have considered harsh as well but that is their perogative.
I would agree with Kid that he probably should have spoken with Colm Collins once more before deciding but it is what it is. I donât think the duel thing can work as you end up compromising and the player doesnât reach the levels he is capable of at either code.
@chewy louie
I think dual players can work, but only if both managers have an amicable relationship & work together. This idea is obviously not to Davyâs liking and he is well within his rights to make this decision IMO.
As regards Podgeâs decision, well you just have to lay in the bed that you make I suppose.
I did yeah, I thought it was thick. Iâll not be reading it again.
[QUOTE=âcarryharry, post: 1014677, member: 1517â]@chewy louie
I think dual players can work, but only if both managers have an amicable relationship & work together. This idea is obviously not to Davyâs liking and he is well within his rights to make this decision IMO.
As regards Podgeâs decision, well you just have to lay in the bed that you make I suppose.[/QUOTE]
It will work to a point but the way I/C hurling has gone you simply cannot afford to be playing both once you reach July and the pace and touch really quickens up. Even missing a a handful of sessions will see you off the pace. We have some very talented hurlers and the management is correct that they should be committed 100% to the hurlers. As I said if Podgeâs auld boy wasnât over the footballers there wouldnât even be a discussion to be had.
Cork accomodated duel players this year out of necessity as much as anything else as the depth of talent wasnât there without them, the necessity is not there in Clare but obviously we would much rather have him than not have him. Eamonn OâShea or Jim Gavin wouldnât for one minute contemplate having lads trying to serve both codes throughout the year so I donât an issue with Davy doing the same.
Thatâs a Kev type retort & I am equally appalled and disgusted by it.
Davy is the boss, Podge wants to play for daddy, Davy says no, Podge walks.
Davy shows whoâs really boss. ( I donât think Davy is going to lose any sleep over Podge walking )
Case closed.
@chewy louie, as you mentioned Podge is a popular panel member, in your opinion, would the panel be happier to have him on board in a compromise situation or with Davy forcing him out? Add to that the cutting of the guy missing a few training due to work commitments. Clare seem like a very tight knit group, I imagine morale would have been better served by being more accommodating than by cracking the whip.
Also, itâs âdualâ, mate.
[QUOTE=âcarryharry, post: 1014681, member: 1517â]Thatâs a Kev type retort & I am equally appalled and disgusted by it.
Davy is the boss, Podge wants to play for daddy, Davy says no, Podge walks.
Davy shows whoâs really boss. ( I donât think Davy is going to lose any sleep over Podge walking )
Case closed.[/QUOTE]
Except that Davy loses one of the best players in the country, and probably pisses off a few of Podgeâs mates on the panel. It would have been easy to accommodate him, that doesnât mean he has to start.
[QUOTE=âglasagusban, post: 1014682, member: 1533â]I imagine morale would have been better served by being more accommodating than by cracking the whip.
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I seem to recall Eoin Larkin being away for extended periods on army duty or did I imagine that?
Any review of the Clare year needs to start (and possibly end) with the guy in charge.
The dual player issue was a minor side show and I have a feeling it is being portrayed as the reason for a poor season, absolving a pile of other poor decisions from scrutiny.
There was a compromise last year and Davy felt it didnât work and now wants full commitment. It could have been handled better but I have no issue with an ultimatum being issues, especially when the choice is between trying to win an All Ireland hurling title and trying to avoid relegation in Division 3 football and morale victories. I would think that aside from Cork the other top 5 or 6 hurling counties would have taken the exact same stance
That is a big statement to make, and one I would laugh at. A good IC player is a more reasonable comment IMO.
He was a very good player in 2013, he was average at best in 2014. Although the same could be said for a number of Clare hurlers.
Indeed. A lot of them must have been playing football this year.
He lit up 2013 alright, but people forget he avoided the Tippâs & KKâs of this world. I always felt his size would hinder him physically going forward, 2013 was a year of skill based hurling. 2014 saw a return to the physicality.
Didnât see much of it on Sunday
Podge was my hurler of the year in 2013, if the season had ended at the drawn replay the talk would have been about him, not Kelly. He carried the Clare attack in the early rounds and was an essential cog in their system working later on. He also might be short harry, but if you meet him in person he is very broad, with the low centre of gravity too heâd have no bother with physicality IMO.
Fair enough, thatâs one outlook on it. Seems to me though this is just a symptom of deeper problems and the situation could have been handled better than by means of a ultimatum.
Nice for ye to have something going on across the border to take your mind off the abject failure yet again of your hurlers at the weekend.
[QUOTE=âchewy louie, post: 1014633, member: 1137â]For the most part hurling and football are pretty much split on geographical grounds in Clare. The west of the county is football while the east is hurling country with some notable exceptions and aside from maybe Barefield, Eire Og, Wolf Tones and in more recent times Cratloe there arenât oo many proper duel clubs. But as I said there wouldnât even be a choice for Collins to make here if anyone else was managing the football team, he would choose hurling every time. That is not to say that his auld lad is forcing him to play football but he obviously wants to be involved and help his dad out.
I hope it isnât a decision he comes to regret[/QUOTE]
As both a Clare man and a GAA man which would you prefer? To have a football and a hurling squad sharing the same resources and struggling to win an AI every 20 years or one of either regularly competing in and winning an AI much more regularly?
I couldnât give a fuck if we never fielded a Gaelic football team again.