I refuse to acknowledge it because it never happened.
A mate of yours 
The story you are about to see is true. The names (and holiday destinations) have been changed to protect the innocent.
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Ffs
Very good point.
Throw in the economic destruction of long standing market towns and it paints an unflattering picture of where we are as a society.For sale signs/boarded up commercial premises up and down the country in every town whereas 20 years ago,you’d see hardly any of it.
But hey-We have Lidl,Aldi,Motorways and a horde of foreigners that would rather get rode up the hole by Old Nick sooner than shop in SuperValu and go for an ACTUAL pint in a pub.
We are fucked lads.
I get as outraged as the next person to see people taking advantage of the system and being handed out shit for free whilst other work their bollix off to get where they are, but these sort of stories do nothing to help. There is no back story as to how hard this man saved for that holiday. Maybe they saved like fuck for years and got enough to bring his family on a nice holiday. It shouldnt be a case of if you are on social housing or benefits that your life is over and you are never allowed nice things again, because you’ve been given stuff for free. There is always outrage when the “dole scroungers” go off on their holidays, as if they shouldnt be entitled to one as its tax payers money paying for it. It’s what creates this social divide and pits everyone against each other, instead of where the ire should be directed, at those providing the social welfare and those not providing opportunities for them to get out of it by education or employment.
If you were to offer me of either working my bollix off so that I can live where I am now with what I have, or doing fuck all, living in a house provided by the state and having to rely on state money to survive, I know which one I’d take. Yeah many take the piss with their entitlements, but its rare to see them living a life of luxury with it. If they get their holidays as well as their free house, then fuck it, what harm. It’s not directly affecting you.
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Who’s taxes pay for the house and holiday?
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Everyones collectively. Yours, mine, the taxes that the recipients do pay themselves.
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Well I’d rather my taxes went towards people and services who need them. Plenty of families struggle to and rarely go on holidays it’s not a right by any stretch. Take away the incentive to work and contribute and that tax base starts to dwindle.
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The amount of fraud by people on the dole is a pittance compared to what the bankers and builders and insurance crowd defraud the state off.
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Yeah I get that, but these anecdotal stories of someone going on holiday but they are on benefits as if they have no right to do so annoy me. No one knows what they do to save the money, or how many holidays they have been on or whatever. It shoudnt automatically be a case of someone being on benefits having to answer questions as to why they are going on holiday or where they fund it.
As I said, the issue shouldnt be with them, which is nearly always the case. It should be on the people who distribute the benefits and who provide the education services and job opportunities.
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you have to factor in the social pressures people are under as well. These people getting houses in nice places would feel very small listening to people talking about skiing in Spring and summering in America etc. They’re struggling probably to eat. I’d say a lot of the stories stem from people spoofing about going to nice places when in reality they are fucking off up the country to a caravan park or something.
Absolutely there should be a system where work and training is made available for everyone. But it’s not far off that there is or at least was before the pandemic a lot of jobs available in Ireland. It’s just a different political viewpoint here I think. You don’t mind your taxes going on it, fair enough, I think that that little harm could lead to a culture where some think that they are better off not bothering to work. That leads to huge problems in society, and for people themselves, if that starts becoming the norm.
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but it’s not the norm and nowhere near it. There are places in Ireland that are underprivileged and have been for a long time where people feel trapped and some are defrauding the welfare, but in those same places there are people making a go of it.
Stigmatization is a huge problem as well.
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To be honest, it would seem to me, with no proof, that that sort of behaviour, not working and looking for a house, is more bred into a person rather than someone just saying fuck that, I’m not bothering my hole anymore. And that as time goes by will change, as these children born into it want to get out of the cycle of benefits and better themselves. So, in my opinion, its more likely for this sort of behaviour to diminish rather than increase. Now granted, if families get bigger and they all do it, then it obviously gets bigger, but point being is that its not seen as a way of life for someone to choose, more so its the environment they are accustomed to and are born into it. Its hard for these people to get out of that situation, poor education and lack of resources in a shit area just keeps it going and going.
I will suggest the opposite is the case, that when it is bred into people it becomes an acceptable life choice. Very hard to break out of the environment you grow up in. Unless of course, getting out of it is incentivised. How about a scheme where completion of a training course of work experience earns a discounted/subsidised holiday?
When you say poor education, what do you mean, some excellent teachers in deprived areas, and of course many from so called areas excell in all professions. And what lack of resources? Social welfare intervention for sure and college or professional training should be fully free but there isn’t a massive glass ceiling there, if there was how do many do just fine.
what a condescending cunt you are.
how about a fucking job for doing a course or work experience.
Almost Laban Lite.
Well yes a job would be the obvious hope, depending on the market but certainly increases the chance. So it would make sense to incentivise undertaking that. That I have to spell that out means I can’t be wasting time engaging with you.
The man has a job that pays above the average industrial salary… I don’t begrudge him anything… I do however think its a bit fcuked up…