What the fuck are you on about now? You want to argue on the basis of the varying strength of 2/3rd teams and what a management committee may or may not do?
This is what you said;
âa lot of this has to do with population and given the fact that Cork has probably more junior clubs than there are GAA clubs in Clare, Waterford and Limerick combinedâ
You related it to population. The fact is in other counties they should reduce the amount of senior teams they have and have decent Junior and Intermediate competitions. the amount of âSeniorâ teams in Clare is a joke, its totally out of kilter with the size of the county. Even Tipp, which is far bigger has a brutal system.
Anyway, bottom line, Cork produces the best clubs in Ireland based on results, how we do it is neither here nor there, its just the way it is.
I donât think ye have an unfair advantage, just pointing as to why Corkâs junior and intermediate sides would be strongerâŚIntermediate level in Clare picked up there for a few years due to the fact that there were 4 or 5 very good young teams in it at the same time, all of them have now been promoted and older teams being relegated from senior and it has started to drop off againâŚDue to their being more clubs in Cork it is always going to be harder to win the championship, meaning more games, clubs located closer together meaning more divisional rivalriesâŚAgree with you it is far harder to win and that is the point i am making, it is far harder to win because it is made up of first choice adult teams who the junior a is the be all and end all not as opposed to a lad on a second/third team who sees it as a stepping stone or sides that change year on year
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Alot of first teams Junior A in Cork, not sure what that has got to do with anything. Too many teams in Clare and Tipp call themselves Senior, some of the Tipp Senior teams are woeful and would not win the Cork Junior title.
Iâm really not sure what your point is though. If it was based on population then Mallow, Kanturk, Fermoy, St. Vincents, Blarney, Ballincollig, Bantry etc etc would all be dominating Cork GAA, and they are not. Of course certain clubs with be picks do well, but that is because they are organised, not because they have a big pick.
Are Corks 120 plus All-Irelands tainted so because of population?
Are Kerry or Killkennys diluted because they only play one sport?
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i think myself & the ESRI have explained this before
Any chance of an answer or are you just going to admit that you were wrong when you said we donât have the hurlers to compete for an All-Ireland when you said this after the KK match?
Yes, that team as it stodd then doesnât have the hurlers. Doesnât mean âCorkâ doesnât have the hurlers to challenge, but i also have always said it will take a year or two or three. Its the way the mis-informed here go on that Cork has no underage talent that annoys me, because it is not true. We do, but i wonder are they best looked after.
Agree 100 per cent with puke on this one, donât think kev is really understanding what he is getting at. Cork have far more clubs than anyone else so the chances of them having good clubs are increased. Itâs simple statistics.
Anyway, I donât have the stats to hand but I donât think Cork clubs have dominated the All Irelands at junior and intermediate grades since theyâve been introduced? They just seem to be doing well this year, and have won fuck all yet.
Kev youâre unbelievably keen to talk up intermediate and junior level in Cork which is because this is the level you play at and it makes you feel better about yourself and your clubs inability to win championships. It seems to me.
No its based on actually seeing alot of games over the years in alot of counties, and from fellas blowing on about things here has made me comment from time to time. I made a comment about one particular team here from Cork and was dismissed out of hand, and it grew from that.
I have no insecurities about what level i play to be honest, there would have been a time when iâd have strive to be at the best level and cared about it, but i play completely for fun and being involved now.
This thread was a boastful way of winding a few lads up and its clearly worked, it was having a go back at the lads who were slagging us/me off back along, it was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. On the results side of it, off hand like yourself iâm guessing, but i would think Kerry has the best record overall in football and Cork & KK are close enough in the hurling. Not to be making excuses, but Corks football championships tend to be finished very late and teams are often out 6-7 days after winning a county and it has definitely hindered them a few times.
The Munster hurling is very dominated by Cork teams, but KK teams have definitely beaten them a few times in semiâs/finals. Kerry has completely taken over in football club wise below Senior, but then again they have Div 1&2 sides (Senior effectively) playing junior & Intermediate.
In the 8 years of the Junior hurling Cork teams won 3 All-Irelands, Killkenny won 3. The Intermediate has been more spread, with Cork teams winning 1 and KK 2. The English and Westmeath Senior champs won one each as well.
In Intermediate Football Cork teams won 2, Kerry 2 and Tyrone, Monaghan & Galway one each. In Junior Football Kerry won 4, Meath 2, Cavan, Tyrone & Cork 1.
You only asked for the last time you muppet? The last time would indicate a singular answer.
The competitions have only been on for 7/8 years depending on the comp. Thought youâd have realised that. Cork teams have completely dominated the Junior and Intermediate hurling Munsters winning 7 & 4 respectively. Obviously it gets a bit harder out of Munster when coming up against other great hurling counties like Killkenny.
You are cleary delusional.
Cork have not beaten KK in top grade club hurling for quite some time, and you shouldnt be embarassing other Cork contributors by taking the level down to junior. Its clutching at straws. City hurling is Cork has fallen way off and it is currenlty at an all time low.
If you take out the NTS team of the 2000s, Corks 30 year record in senior munsters club hurling (where 90% of their county players come from) is comparatiively very poor
You really are very insecure about it all are you not. This was a discussion about Junior and Intermediate, i never said anything about the senior clubs. But the fact is, NTS were there, they did exist and they were from Cork. If you take out a 6 year period in the 90âs then Clare club hurling never did much at all. But why would we do that?
Again you like to ignore FACT.
The power has shifted in Cork, no doubt, but this years final was effectively an all City final between Sars and The Glen, and Na Piarsaigh are very strong, with Douglas coming behind them. All thats changed really is the Barrs and the Rockies not being strong. Sure hasnât there been a massive swing in your own county?
Have Clare ever beaten Killkenny in Senior hurling Championship? Canât honestly remember them doing it.
A Clare Senior club has won nothing in 10 years, and have been hammered more often than not in Munster in recent years.
Just accept your place in the pecking order, i know its hard to accept, but ye are a poor relation to Cork hurling or Football. Deal with it.
Good night.
Also far less than 90% of Corks hurlers come from Senior clubs, there has always been a number of Junior and Intermediate hurlers playing for cork. Its not like Clare or the likes where any old club can call themselves Senior.