It’s about all I came up with too.
If Kilkenny only play zonal then your best bet is to overload an area. But as we have both said first touch has to be impeccable. And if you do it around your half back line be sure not to do as Galway do in one of the linked video. Giving away points like that is a morale murderer.
I should have Larkin in for Comerford in some fashion.
I don’t have the file with me. It’s on my work machine. I’ll try it tomorrow.
I heard some stat today that Cork have only conceded 3 goals to KK in the last 10 years or something? One of those figures could be wrong though.
Kinda like the Wexford footballers with centre back dropping short and one of the corner backs or full backs bursting out for an easy handpass?
That sounds about right. I’d say we scored less or possibly the same though!
Good article cld
On the puckouts though, was it not the case in last year’s AI final that the Kilkenny wing backs held their ground and Tipp took advantage by dropping their HFs deep?
Like this point for example?
I thought that point at the time was simply down to a drop in concentration by Kilkenny. There was a man down injured and they tuned out. The ref gave Cummins the go ahead and McGrath had snuck in to space. I don’t think there was any great tactic to that point. Maybe I’m wrong.
Twas a Tipp man down though, they only had 13.
I think that was a big part of how Tipp got the upper hand in the second half in particular. The Kilkenny half backline held their positions so the Tipp forwards went roaming deep. Kerwick in particular picked up a lot of baal that way. Tipp are accustomed to playing like that anyway so it suited them.
Not really, Mac. Bit of a difference in what I was suggesting. In football, we’re generally dealing with a 2-man full forward line and both defenders move wide, one to either side, for our kick outs dragging the forwards with them to create a hole up the centre. David Murphy is usually playing possum (wonderful old wrestling phrase) at centre back often slouched down with his hands on his hips and/or with his back to our goal creating the impression that a) he’s not looking to receive the ball and B) expects it to be launched over his head to the midfield area. Then he quickly spins and sprints back in a straight line towards the goal, receives the ball and lays it off to one of the two full back line players who have made a burst to receive the ball at pace from him to carry forward.
CLD’s graphs are different in that the full forward will be directly between the full back and centre back so he’s blocking off that option of the centre back coming back into that condensed space. Then there’s all the other parts that CLD mentions such as the corner forwards blocking the sight line to the half backs while also being close enough to the corner backs. What I was suggesting was that given this set up pretty much blocks all options for players in traditional 1 to 12 positions from receiving a puck out in space in their designated position that a ‘runner’ type player, who’s nominally a forward, comes all the way back into his own half for puck outs and tries to upset this zonal defensive system and find pockets of space to receive the ball.
Can’t agree with this, think Tyrell is a rock in the corner myself, big, strong and mobile with plenty of hurling to boot, not too many lads have got the better of him let alone roast him…Unless Horgan is being spoon fed the best ball of his life will he roast Tyrell
Thats my point though, he is their rock now, he’s the inspiration back there. Dalton has been good but not amazing, Hickey looks dodgy. My point was really, was Horgan to upset jackie, i’d feel it could rattle them. Its a big ask obviously, but while he’s mobile for his size, he’s still not as mobile as Horgan. The ball of course is more or less everything with the Cork forwards on recent form.
I think Tyrrell is a serious player, but go after them where they are strong, its like beating SA in rugby, if you compete up front, then you have some chance.
In relation to combined team; This is what i’d have, being as unbiased as is possible.
Donal Og
Shane O’ Neill Cadogan Tyrrell
Tommy Curran JJ
Rice Fennelly
Larkin Shefflin Niall Mac
TJ Reid Power Fogarty
This is on present form. cadogan is the most debatable. I would have said who’s available as well, but that would mean leaving Rice out, and i haven’t seen Cha in an age. Corks midfield is good, but not yet at that level.
kev,
what do u make of the cork team that was announced?
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2010/0806/cork_kilkenny.html
Donal Og Cusack,
Shane O’Neill, Eoin Cadogan, Brian Murphy.
John Gardiner, Ronan Curran, Seán Óg Ó hAilpín,
Tom Kenny, Cathal Naughton,
Michael Cussen, Kieran Murphy, Niall McCarthy,
Pat Horgan, Aisake Ó hAilpín, Ben O’Connor
[b]personally, im still very disappointed to see AOH still in there,
the back 7 is good, but id be going with the names below from midfield on
tom kenny, william egan in midfiled
naughton, k murphy, niall mac on the 40
ben, paudie and horgan on the 21[/b]
i really dont think AOH or Cussen should be there at all, another option would be to put Cussen in FF, drop ben and throw paudie in the corner.
i think if POS was full foward he would totally unsettle Hickey as he could wreak havoc with low fast ball into him, i fear it may be a long afternoon if we persist in raining high ones into AOH, anoher reason to have POS in there is if AOH was breaking ball then paudie would feed of the breaks, Ben is too slow now at this stage i think.
low ball into AOH is not an option for obvious reasons.
i hope im wrong but based on the team Denis has neamed i cant see us winning at all on Sunday…
looks as if denis logged on here at HT and saw my post.
i know the game was over as a contest at HT effectively. but bringing off AOH and bringing on POS did give us more attacking options.
i think AOH is a good lad, but i dont want to see him play for Cork again, he is not good enough.
If we had started with that formation in bold above i honestly beleive we would have given this a much better go.
its so disappointing,
yes i know KK are a class side, yes i know shane o neill was out ( but i thought our backs did ok under pressure), but when i heard the team announced during the week and then the changes b4hand my heart sank.
William Egan and Paudie should have started this match, im not saying it would have changed the outcome, it may just have made more a game of it
I’m tending to agree with you, but we are caught in a number of ways. Without the big lads we are caught for ball winners. I would agree with Cussen may be needed at full forward, he is a bit subtle than Aisake, and more likely to shorten the hurley and score. I’d have played Paudi and Hoggie as well, but i’d possibly still play Cussen at full and Horgan at center.
Ideally i’d have Egan in midfield and Naughton on the wing as well, with him droppping as a 3rd midfielder when we don’t have the ball.
We simply won’t get good low ball into a full forward, Hogan will drop back and stop that. Thats why if things are not working, i’d whip Aisake off, Cussen full, Fraggie off, Horgan center. So Paudi won’t do there IMO. He has been the smartest player this year though to work off the big men though, so keeping him close is vital, when he comes on.
That would mean we could play high ball into Cussen and have good quick lads to feed off him, and Horgan outside to take shorter or over lap ball should Hogan drop back.
Ben form is worrying though, he could come off as fast as the big lads on present form.
I don’t have much faith in the Cork fitness guru’s (joke), and while they got them right for Tipp, i think they just peaked for it. They don’t have the overall knowledge to keep them ticking, or indeed to get the best out of players like Ben O’ Connor. Much was made in the papers of Currans fitness, but thats simply the mans age (he’s only 28) and the fact he never trained properly before anyway.
The former Cork trainers McGrath and Wallace still haven’t been asked for the records on the players over the past number of years. Thats blatent stupidity, ignorance & arrogance imo.
Ta-da
Im confident that we’ll win on Sunday but there are a few reasons for Cork to be hopeful,John Tennyson is a big loss,hes a far better hurler and in far better form than Brian Hogan who wouldnt have been seen again this Year but for Tennysons injury,also Eddie Brennan as mentioned before has lost a bit of pace and is hurling very poorly in training and in recent club games,PJ Ryan is more than capable of a few fuck ups between the posts,he made 3 bad ones the last day but only one of them turned into a goal through nothing but sheer luck,Pat Horgan is well capable of having a good day on John Dalton who is a class act but is going to be hurling in his 1st ever Senior game in the All Ireland series,he can look a little green at times,Kilkenny should win but ya’d never know…
You won’t have to worry about Brian Hogan Link. He is out with a broken finger or so I’ve been told.
We’re in trouble here lads.
:rolleyes:
If your didn’t have form for this kinda bull shite we might believe you.
Cian Mac is being heavily tipped to start on Sunday. Which would be insane.