Here @myboyblue , what do you reckon the chances are of just rockin up to the manor in Abbeyleix tonight for a bit of dinner?
It’ll be interesting to see where our figures are in two weeks. One thing is for sure - if people are complacent, this virus will come back. Look what’s happening around the world.
Of course it will but adults should also take a bit of personal responsibility while they go about their daily business out from under the bed.
Is it complacency or just the fact that people are mixing more now? It’s bound to happen.
Absolutely.
A lad was on to me earlier. He was heading down the town for his second day on the beer, he has taken holidays from work for it. That’s bad enough but the pub accommodates him in that - not enforcing the 105 minutes rule. He was in there all day yesterday moving freely about.
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It is but some publicans are money hungry and will take the chance of not getting caught while running a pre Covid pub. Other publicans are following the guidelines to the letter.
This isn’t about serving a half hour late on Saturday night. This can cause big damage. Unfortunately some people are deciding to view it as the latter.
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As always the greedy, lazy bastards who will do as they please will fuck it up for everyone.
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Let’s see what happens. Maybe we are in a place where we can carry out such loose restrictions but either way, the blatant flaunting of the rules is disgraceful really.
Your first paragraph is what should be happening but I have literally seen none of this happening apart from queues in last few weeks and I’m out and about a good bit.
it was always going to be the case with the pubs though. It’s pretty much impossible to enforce the restrictions the way Irish people use the pub. Not even trying is pretty bad though.
People have some personal responsibility as well. I know it would be difficult to avoid a place that isn’t even attempting to follow the restrictions but it should be done.
If a spike happens, and there’s videos doing the rounds of lads sideways drunk in packed pubs, what follows? An across the board shutdown
Any comment here so far on the supposed outbreak in sligo?
A barbershop has been linked to 14 cases.
Pretty sure we’ve passed lots of laws and regulations around covid all this time.
It’s simple enough to say no admittance to public transport without a mask, issuing the regulation would probably be 99% effective without requiring train drivers to act as bouncers.
It’s also easy to put responsibility on business that are public facing to have their employees wear masks, it’s simple and effective and enforceable.
Now is not the time for complacency.
Pubs really can only operate as restaurants who serve alcohol at present. I’d be worried about allowing lads in for 8 or 9 pints. I know there’s a lot of valid criticism in the restrictions around 1hr and 45mins time limit but if this is generally adhered to, people are going to go in with the company they’re with, sit down have a meal and a few drinks and go home and there will be very little mingling done with others.
It should not pose massive risks but the big question is how viable is it for bars to operate in this manner? Maybe it might shape and change the attitudes of the Irish towards alcohol.
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But yeah, open up the airports sure.
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I agree on the inherent issue with pubs. Therefore they are high risk, as evidenced by them being towards the last areas to open up. But that high risk needs to be extended by whatever measures the State can use to ensure that pubs are doing as they should and punishing those not complying with the requirements. Only the State can do it in my view. Yes there is personal responsibility of course, but a lot people won’t adopt that and publicans won’t comply if they think they can get away with it. The pub sector have operated with a ‘nod and a wink’ mentality for years - it simply cannot be allowed to happen anymore.
We passed laws at the start but then couldn’t for a good while because the legal advice was that we couldn’t. That’s why there was a rush to get a gov to roll over the special criminal court legislation.
I’ve no idea whether mask wearing requires legislation or whether on a bus for example it’s a by law. Either way a driver should be able to require a passenger getting on to wear one.
Ultimately though I reckon this won’t be achieved by legislation - it would need to become a societal norm - get a tipping point and all that.
horrifying report from pubs back home, jammers all day and lads breathing all over each other, ye’ll be back to square one in two weeks, locked up for another 3 or 4 months in your house
I’ve been wearing a mask since the start of the lockdown every time I go to the shops. I don’t give a fuck what anyone else does that’s their own business. It seemed like a nobrainer to me that this was a way of reducing your chances of catching the thing and if it helped someone else not get it then that was a collateral advantage but my primary motivation was to protect myself.
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This comes down to the same thing as so much else in this country. Who has responsibility?
If Irish Rail has to put people all over train stations to ensure compliance then who foots the bill for that? Similar with the Luas? As you said the bus is the easiest to enforce it on.
The whole mask issue has been very poorly handled in my view. Don’t wear them, wear them but don’t take them off front line worker, comments from Cillian De Gascun that the reusable ones may be dangerous, mandatory wear them with no enforcement plan.
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to be fair it was accelerated due to pressure from the unions, understandably so as they had members under serious pressure. But it was done on the proviso that the members would comply with the strict guidelines. If it goes tits up for publicans, they have nobody to blame but themselves.