the leak was brutal. 100%. There are ways to manage it that donāt undermine future discussions with both NPHET and the government. Condemn the leak, and the act. Not the advice
He went too far, publicly, in my opinion.
If things get out of hand and we have to go to level 5, then NPHET and Holohan are stronger than ever and Varadkar has made Martin weak as piss
We face an overrun health service every winter. In that context, I dont think this year will be any worse. We definitely need more beds, and itās mental that we dont have them. But I think we will be ok. The virus just cannot spread exponentially in an environment where so many have it and dont even know.
Some chat from journalists that the NPHET letter was leaked from cabinet having received it on Sunday night, as opposed to NPHET themselves trying to force their hand and get what they wanted.
Martin has done a good enough job by himself of making himself look weak as piss
as i suggested yesterday evening
The current cabinet is more porous that the Man United and Liverpool defences combined .
he was very strong last night. Heās the Taoiseach. he actually pushed back on NPHET in a calm and considered manner. He said it well and he warned about the dangers going forward. Itās the first time iāve had anything positive to say about him. He did well.
the opposition is in the coalition and the actual opposition is just sitting back watching them tear each other apart. Itās not good for the nation.
Fair enough. I donāt watch him anymore because he annoys me. In fairness to Varadkar he was getting interrogated by Claire Byrne so I donāt know if there was any way of him not criticising NPHET without making himself look weak
I think the big issue there is that they didnāt know what would happened beyond 4 weeks.
It is disingenuous to just say that you are looking at this one narrow thing.
Firstly, that should be both in the short term and the long term & acting within the constraints proposed to them. In fairness, for all of its criticism, thatās what the Living with Covid plan is about. NPHET clearly donāt respect it but it isnāt for them to say that. There are stakeholders across society that have to agree to that. Each movement requires different things to move into place. NPHET basically wanted to fuck that plan out and go hard Lockdown ācircuit breakerā. They wanted a new strategy and you are entitled to ask what happens beyond 4 weeks. If the virus isnāt controlled (like Melbourne), this goes on. And unlike Melbourne (and NZ), we wonāt be instituting hard border controls. We got the virus to near zero before and it came back, and it will come back again.
All it was was NPHET admitting that they arenāt sure how to control the virus and that they want an easy life with periodic hard lockdowns.
Secondly, they are a broad group of medics. It isnāt good enough to say thatās all you look at. They all have day jobs and their day jobs should also inform the decisions. Holohan is the CMO. He canāt just put that hat down for this.
If NPHET come in and articulate a new strategy, it is incumbent on them to articulate how that would work in the long term.
a couple of well placed prosecutions under the OSA would fix that
I donāt get your second point at all
Simon getting excited about another lockdown and the Thank You cards and lovely drawings heād receive again?
Which Simon?
without the leak what happens?
the government talk to NPHET in private, come to the conclusion that we need level 3. Announce it and are the brunt of peopleās anger.
could this have been a 1-2 punch by Martin and Varadkar. We leak the letter from NPHET. Leo you go on RTE 1 and nail Tony and Iāll be Mr. Nice on the 6.01
Good points there.
There was a member of NPHET on Morning Ireland the next day, I think theyāre crying wolf.
I donāt think this is winning them a lot of popularity points at large so I doubt it.
You should put this thread on ignore for the good of your health,
Bile is the order of the day now, anything else will e crushed
Reined.
What bile did I have in my post or any of my posts here?