Coronavirus thread - 19/10/2020 - The Day Ireland Died

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

Those who test positive self isolate for 2 weeks.

[EstebanSexface]

and then what?

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

They get tested again mate.

Why are you so negative.

[maroonandwhite]

Ok so someone gets a negative test immediately, what’s to say they don’t make contact with someone two hours later getting diesel who infects them?

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

Nothing to say they would.

[Tassotti]

he’s one of those lads who will find a problem for every solution

[maroonandwhite]

And nothing to say they won’t

[EstebanSexface]

test everyone every 2 weeks. Jesus, why didn’t all the experts think of that

[Tim_Riggins]

@EstebanSexface

I never mentioned Dr.Nolan or his models, not once.

we have fucked up tracing and testing long before the summer and since, but those are the variables we are dealing with. Expecting that to suddenly get better is a fools game.

We have an ultra conservative health advisory, trying to protect a broken health service, we have a government that is formed by a coalition of FF/FG and labour, when it looked like we’d be going to the polls again. Local authorities aren’t fit for purpose

Suddenly people want rapid, coordinated responses. Tests for the entire country.

People expect the perfect response.

The reality is, we did a pretty good job to get the levels to a certain R level, we opened up, the levels went back up.

None of the shit that was wrong was magically fixed in the couple of months they had to fix it, am I surprised. No.
the only chance we had to avoid further lockdowns was to abide by the restrictions that were in place at the time, which was an almost impossible ask in itself.
What do people expect here?

I don’t expect the perfect response, but I expect trying to deliver on a strategy.

The strategy was for South Korean levels of testing and tracing. That’s what we were told would happen. We got into a position of having the testing capacity, but didn’t use it over the summer and didn’t put in place proper tracing.

Nphet explicitly did not follow a strategy given to them. There needs to be accountability for that.

In terms of that specific strategy, you at least have someone taking ownership and accountability for it.

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

Nphet will keep bottle shops open but will close gyms. They are in charge of our health?

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@EstebanSexface

test everyone every 2 weeks. Jesus, why didn’t all the experts think of that

Nope, you test positive cases 2 weeks later to see if they are now negative and no longer need to self isolate.

Why are you so negative?

[EstebanSexface]

@Tim_Riggins

Nphet explicitly did not follow a strategy given to them. There needs to be accountability for that.

do you expect that accountability to be during the crisis?

[EstebanSexface]

I’m trying to be realistic here mate.

[tallback]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

@EstebanSexface

who would do the testing? where would the results be processed?

Where would the testing take place?

Let’s hear some feasible solutions.

How can the Slovaks do it?

To be fair, they are using a different (less accurate/sensitive) testing platform so not exactly a like for like comparison

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@EstebanSexface

I’m trying to be realistic here mate.

Nope.

You’re trying to shut down a progressive solution.

It also gives an accurate snapshot of nationwide infection rate and a better understanding of the split between symptomatic and asymptomatic cases at a given time.

[dodgy_keeper]

NPHET are very selective with what figures and statistics they release.

The only one that matters to me is that the number of people in hospital is roughly the same as it was last October - all during this deadly pandemic.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

It’s rapid testing the Slovaks use which is the only viable option in a strategy like that.

Fair play to the Slovaks - it’s a ballsy, progressive move.

[EstebanSexface]

I’m not trying to shutdown anything. I’m giving my opinion on why it isn’t a viable strategy for supression, long term

I’ve already said that those would be benefits of a mass testing strategy

[Tim_Riggins]

Yes.

7 months down the line now.

There is barely a word about this in the media, why?

[EstebanSexface]

I don’t know buddy. Do you think there is a cover up?
I don’t think there is that level of coordination in Ireland to cover up anything. It is what it is.

I don’t think there will ever be full accountability for any of the decisions made during this pandemic