I would argue, being familiar with your beliefs over the years, that you are far more influenced by US culture war stuff you read on the internet than I am.
I would argue Iām one of the posters here who is least influenced by US culture war stuff.
The war is being waged by the right. Not by my āsideā, whatever that is. Iām just a sensible person who wants a decent society and believes in sensible left wing socialist or social democratic (whatever you want to call it) ideas. Ideas which are at their heart about freedom. Real freedom.
My āsideā, whatever that is, is absolutely correct to recognise the inherent danger in the culture war insanity which is pushed by the worldwide right and sadly is regularly pushed on this forum. I honestly can;t understand why anybody wouldnāt recognise the danger of it. The danger of it is clear and present and we see it every day, weāve seen it every day for many years now.
Funny thing is, id say myself and yourself would agree on 95% of issues. You just seem to have this idea that anyone who disagrees with you is dangerous, far right etc.
I donāt engage with you that often, but thats the kind of vibe which I get from your posts and to be fair here - the vast majority of TFK posters are decent people. I donāt see this far right āthingā creeping in here at all.
It seems to be something in your head more than anything, to use an example I think pushing mrna vaccines into children is madness or anyone healthy really under 40. Weāll agree to disagree on that.
There are very sensible reasons for a young person not to get vaccinated. First of all nobody has any idea what the long term consequences could be, these vaccines are new and only authorized for emergency use. A vaccine that is designed to produce a foreign protein in our cells could conceivably trigger an autoimmune disease. Could Covid do the same? Maybe, or maybe a young healthy immune system can quickly overcome a natural virus, as seems to be the case for the great majority of young people. Many young people are having a far more severe reaction to the vaccine than the virus. Itās not a simple yes/no.
If all the vulnerable are vaccinated, what is the emergency for young people? We now know there is a low risk of blood clots and now heart inflammation, did we know that when the vaccines were released? What else could be on the horizon we donāt know about yet?
Oh I see it creeping in big time. The issues which seem to arouse the most ire from the usual suspects on this forum are things like trans people, gay rights, abortion, Black Lives Matter protests, critical race theory or the notion that white supremacism can be embedded into a society, āangerā at supposed āpolitical correctnessā, Travellers, welfare states etc. Basically any empathy for people who arenāt white straight, settled males. And on the pandemic, sensible restrictions, constant dismissal of any position that isnāt OIUTF. Any denigration of Trump or Johnson or Putin style right-wing politics is met with fierce anger.
The things that seem to arouse the most fanatical support among the usual suspects are opposition to the above and support for total canards like āfree speechā, which is actually a clear attempt to clamp down on real free speech.
All this is classic right wing culture war stuff.
Anti-vaccine stuff, like you push, is classic right wing culture war stuff.
Youāve pivoted big time now. Youāre arguing against what you previously argued.
Nobody says there is no risk at all attached to the vaccine but the risks are infinitesmal and certainly less than the risks of getting Covid.
If this was not the case it would already be known. We know about the clotting problems for a tiny minority. That problem was brought to light very quickly.
There isnāt some big conspiracy here.
If youāre to take to the view that young people shouldnāt get vaccinated, donāt complain if restrictions continue.
Far right politics and anti-vaccine ideology both employ the same trick. They cloak extremism in fake āreasonableā language.
āJust asking questionsā. These questions are not questions. They are statements masked as questions.
The real ideology of anti-vaxxers is not a secret. It is on show at every fake āprotestā. Exemplified by the likes of Dolores Cahill. And many of these high profile anti-vaxxers donāt even believe the shite they say. Theyāre in it for the money.
Yes they are all a risk but the level of risk increases with age. A 20 year old has a significantly less risk than a 60 year old. Its all about placing the risk in the correct category
That sounds fairly right wing. If it wasnt you posting it mate - Iād be wondering, no offence.
Think about it this way, when did 6 month old children have to take the risk for the elderly? Wasnt it always the case that the elderly looked after the younger generation coming through?
I havenāt changed my position at all. The vulnerable should get vaccinated and by vulnerable I would say anyone with a pre existing condition, anyone who is overweight, and anyone over 40. For younger healthy people itās up to themselves, the risks from Covid are well known at this point, but it is completely incorrect to say the risks from a vaccine are infinitesimal or already known. You donāt know that, I donāt know that, medical professionals donāt know that, vaccine researchers donāt know that. Anyone saying they know the risks is bullshitting.