Coronavirus Thread (Markey hates Immigrants )

[The_Most_Infamous]

@Cheasty

@The_Most_Infamous

What is herd immunity though?

100% of the worlds population vaccinated? Its not going to happen,

Surely if the vulnerable are fully vaccinated that should be enough.

This virus thankfully is not that bad at all for people younger without underlying chronic illnesses.

At a population level the best guess currently seems to be around 85%. It would seem that the more transmissible the dominant variant, the higher the threshold, so it could be higher.

When the original Covid variant was dominant the threshold was thought to be around 70%, but with the new more transmissible variants that has gone up. Don’t blame me, I’m just the messenger. If I had my way it’d be 5%.

What you’re proposing pal is zero covid.

Its not going to happen. We have to live with it.

[The_Most_Infamous]

@Cheasty

@The_Most_Infamous

What about for work, would you stop unvaccinated people going into the office etc?

I think people should be encouraged to work from home and that should be the case as long as this thing is a significant threat. I don’t believe anybody who doesn’t have to go into an office should be doing so currently. And very few people absolutely need to be in an office.

Tend to agree with you here.

[Cheasty]

@The_Most_Infamous

What you’re proposing pal is zero covid.

Its not going to happen.

Work from home is not Zero Covid. But yes the Zero Covid people have generally been fairly spot on in their analysis.

At every stage of this pandemic corners have been cut, and that policy hasn’t worked.

Nor do I believe people should have ever been offered false hope. Britain offered false hope about June 21st and now there is widespread anger and dissatisfaction there. You can’t cut corners.

[Malarkey]

@glenshane

@Malarkey

Give us this data source, then. One PE teacher seems a rather meagre control group.

Sure didn’t I just say it was a wind up? Anyone wasting their time at deep data dives at this stage needs to take a long hard look at themselves

Well, having achieved a kind of default clarity, we can leave it there. I think we both know that line was not a wind up – and typifies unfortunately the bad faith embedded in the OIUTF mindset. Ironically enough, this mindset is a version of the Anglo Saxon/Protestant ethic, given said mindset’s impatience with nature and its impatience per se.

Ronan Bennett offered an intriguing gloss on this mindset in one of his novels, Havoc, In Its Third Year (2004).

[The_Most_Infamous]

That great reopening on the 21st June was never on the cards over there. Total bullshit. In my view it should have been, but thats a different argument.

The outside dining is grand at the moment with the good weather, once the usual rain etc comes around it’ll be a different story though.

[Heyyoubehindthebushes]

No one should be forced to go into an environment they are not comfortable with during covid until we have a vast majority vaccinated. Its the same as my opinion on masks, I don’t agree but it doesn’t effect me too much.

[Cheasty]

@The_Most_Infamous

That great reopening on the 21st June was never on the cards over there.

The outside dining is grand at the moment with the good weather, once the usual rain etc comes around it’ll be a different story though.

Yes I think the outdoor thing is generally fine as long as people don’t take the piss completely. There is possibly a chance to open up outdoor sporting venues to a greater but still limited extent as the summer goes on, maybe as much as 25% capacity at the All-Irelands.

Personally I’m very comfortable with the decision to forego the Euros matches as involves significant international travel and also it came too soon.

Britain did not put India on its red list for reasons other than epidemiology and therefore the Delta variant has gained a significant foothold. Because of our proximity to Britain there is a very good chance it will do so here too. Unfortunately this virus is like water, if you let it in it will come in. Travel has always been a major factor in spread.

[Cheasty]

@Heyyoubehindthebushes

No one should be forced to go into an environment they are not comfortable with during covid until we have a vast majority vaccinated. Its the same as my opinion on masks, I don’t agree but it doesn’t effect me too much.

That’s fair enough, it’s also why I cannot understand why people would have a problem with the Green Cert as these are indoor workplaces too and I don’t believe staff should have to be subjected to contact with people who have not been vaccinated, either by choice or because the vaccine programme hasn’t got around to them yet - I’m still one of those unvaccinated people. I accept that necessary retail probably has to be an exception to this.

[Batigol]

@Cheasty

The way I look at it is it’s quite fair to give an advantage to those who have been fully vaccinated, ie. less travel restrictions. I would fully support the idea of an Electronic Green Card or whatever it’s called, and for use in the internal economy such as pubs.

I would disagree there. I would make the vaccine free and available to all, but I think people have the right not to take it if they choose (I think they’re silly for doing so too). I think excluding people from participating in society over not having a vaccine is trampling a little on their bodily autonomy

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

it doesnt rain as much as people think

[Biff_Egan]

@Little_Lord_Fauntleroy

it doesnt rain as much as people think

Thanks to us cagers driving global warming.

[Watchyourtoes]

I’m fairly conflicted to be honest on whether to get vaccinated or not, obviously i’m not staunchly for or against it but I just don’t know, what way are the other 30 somethings here leaning? @The_Most_Infamous is definitely not I know that much but what about others.

[Malarkey]

@Tierneevin1979

the madman from Ballyhale,

Awww…

[Heyyoubehindthebushes]

I don’t think being around unvaccinated people should be thebissue moreso people haven’t been given the opportunity to get the vaccine like myself and yourself. Once you have it you should be able to go back to work. It’s understandable if someone doesn’t want to return to the office until they have it

[The_Most_Infamous]

Thats true. Its unpredictible though mate.

[Tierneevin1979]

What kind of lunatic “makes enquiries” about a random poster on the Internet?

[johnnysachs]

I’m in 2 minds whether to or not. Vaccine portal open for my age category by end of week/start of next week but I’ll probably wait and see the lie of the land coming into flu season next winter. I’m reasonably fit and have no underlying conditions that I know of.

[The_Most_Infamous]

Think its open to my age category now as well. Its each to their own to answer @Watchyourtoes question.

I won’t be signing up obviously.

[Cheasty]

Lads, if you genuinely care for those around you in your families and those around where you live and those around the country and those around the world, get vaccinated.

We all need to man up and do it.

There’s a clear path out of all this, we just need to walk down it.

[Malarkey]

@Tierneevin1979

What kind of lunatic “makes enquiries” about a random poster on the Internet?

But: fear not. Your circle jerk of likers will still do their conga.

Lucky you.