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Just before the start of the big climb at the end of today’s stage there are 15 riders about 6 minutes ahead of the peloton:

Jose Ivan Gutierrez (ESP) GCE
Luis Gerdemann (GER) TMO
Juan Antonio Flecha (ESP) RAB
Martin Elmiger (SUI) A2R
Inigo Landaluze (ESP) and Ruben Perez (ESP) EUS
Fabian Wegmann (GER) GST
Dmitriy Fofonov (KAZ) C.A
Egoi Martinez (ESP) DSC
Laurent Lefevre (FRA) and Jerome Pineau - BTL
Benoit Vaugrenard (FRA) FDJ
Bram Tankink (NED) QSI
Paolo Savoldelli (ITA) AST
David de la Fuente (ESP) SDV

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Cracking stage today. Recorded it and watched it when I came home from the Dubs game. Rasmussen did one of his trademark solo efforts to get across to an early breakaway and kept on going past them and winning the stage.

Real action was behind though where Michael Rogers (leader of T Mobile) was in pursuit of Rasmussen when he fell on a descent. He kept going for another half hour or so but he was caught by the peleton and went straight out the back and it was obvious he was in agony with a broken collarbone or something. So he dropped out.

Further back then in the peleton Moreau decided he was going to test the strength of Vino and Kloden so he attacked near the bottom of the last long (but not overly steep) climb. He attacked and Valverde and Mayo and Contador and Kashechkin went with him (maybe 1 more). They didn’t get much of a gap on Vino, Kloden, Sastre et al but Moreau kept attacking every 150 yards or so. Mayo responded a few times and they got about a minute up on Vino and Kloden. Then Kloden put a huge effort in with the main bunch (though there was only about 15 of them left) and he got them back to 20 seconds from Moreau. So Moreau and Mayo attacked once more. Then Sastre attacked from the main bunch. Kloden kept the pace up and then he looked behind to see that Vino (who had been sitting on Kloden’s wheel for the entire climb) had slipped back. So Kloden had to go back and help him. They didn’t have far to go but it looked bad for Vino because none of the other favourites seemed to struggle at all.

So Moreau, Evans, Schleck and Valverde (and Kashechkin) got about 1:15 from Vino and Kloden today and Sastre, Contador and Menchov got about 0:55 from them.

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Big stage tomorrow after a day’s rest today.

Two super category climbs - including one at the very start.

Interesting to see whether Rasmussen goes on the attack again. He wants to win the overall GC now but he has to build up a lead in the mountains to do so. He said after Sunday’s stage:

"“I’m a climber, and a pure climber. If I have to go all the way, and take the yellow jersey all the way to Paris, I will have to climb faster than I have ever done in my life.”

He was in shocking form before entering the Tour - piper advised everyone against backing him - but he looked very strong the other day.

Moreau sounds like he’ll go for it too:

French champion Christophe Moreau, one of the stars of Sunday’s grueling stage to Tignes, says he is hoping to do well in the Pyrnes in the Tour’s final week and finish on the podium in Paris. His best Tour finish to date was fourth in 2000. After eight stages of this Tour he’s sitting in seventh overall, 3:06 down on race leader Michel Rasmussen, but on a par with other contenders like Alejandro Valverde, Cadel Evans, Frnk Schleck and Denis Menchov.

At a press conference Monday morning in the alpine village of Les Brevires, near Tignes, the AG2R team leader explained why he was so aggressive on Sunday’s final climb. “I believed a lot on this climb to create some time gaps and to see who was and wasn’t competitive,” Moreau said. "I was probably the only who believed that we could challenge the [Tour’s] big act - Astana, Vinokourov, Klden. It was interesting to try. I had to try something, because I was a little alone in thinking that.

“It’s true I used up a lot of energy in attacking but If I hadn’t have done that the time gaps would have been much smaller and most likely leaders like [Vladimir] Karpets, Vino and Klden would have gotten back to us and it would have been another stage without much happening.”

Moreau added that he was “very tired” from his aggressive day in the saddle and that the other contenders would now pay him much closer attention, but he said he was very proud of what he is doing in the Tour. “I gained confidence from [winning] the Dauphin and when you have good legs you have to try something. Otherwise what’s the point of racing,” he said.

Moreau, 36, is in his 12th year as a professional. He is in his second season with AG2R after four years with Crdit Agricole and six with the infamous Festina team. He was one of the nine Festina riders in 1998 who confessed to doping, but he said he saw that as a turning point in his career and that he now wants to be an example to younger riders.

When asked Monday about his thoughts on the recent revelations by T-Mobile riders that they, too, doped in the mid- to late-90s. Moreau said, “I was out of the country [racing] in Spain when that came out, so I didn’t pay much attention. Since then, I’ve followed the developments, the news, but what more can you say, it was up to them. What they said makes cycling look bad. We don’t have any need for that and should continue in a positive direction.”

Getting back to this race, Moreau was asked whether he had a legitimate chance at making the podium. “I hope,” he replied. "I hope. I want to. Now, I know the Tour very well, it’s my wish that I don’t have a bad day. I’m able to pace myself better now but you can’t always be at your best - and I’m thinking here of the Pyrnes which are difficult in the final week.

“For now, everything is going well and I’m recuperating well, but between the difficulties, the strategy and the recuperation, it’s necessary to have a little mlange of all three to succeed and get a chance at the podium. And I know I will have to attack to get on the podium as I’m not great at the time trials right now. But we’ll see.”

Big test for Vino (and Kloden) to see how they fare after struggling the other day.

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Have watched as much of Le Tour as possible but it is not easy as live coverage begins around 1 am over here. I have seen extensive coverage of important stages. Thoughts so far:
Vino hasn’t got it in him to be GC winner. He lost time without much pressure being exerted yesterday.
Valverde looks strong and covered Moreau’s every move yesterday. He could have put more time on Kloden, Evans and Vino if he had worked with Moreau. Kesh wasn’t going to work because he is teammate of Kloden and Vino but there was a chance to put in major time between his group and others
Rasmussen’s form has improved dramatically since Giro. He seems to have bulked up a bit which might help him in the TT’s. I can’t help but be suspicious of Mayo and himself though. Mayo’s team Saunier Duval had a controversial Giro and he is unrecognisable from last year
Having said all that I think this is the cleanest tour in years. Very confident that T Mobile team are all clean and they have been competitive
Astanta should concentrate on Kesh and Kloden from now on. Both look in good form. I think Kloden in particular will gain time on most if not all rivals on TT’s.
We should be thankfully to Eurosport. Versus which is the American channel that show coverage have an ad break every ten minutes and litter their coverage with too many graphics. Give me Kelly and a waffling Duffield any day.

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Agree completely on Vino. I just don’t think he has what it takes. That wasn’t an exceptionally difficult stage on Sunday but Moreau put the pressure on and Vino wasn’t able for it. Sastre and Menchov hadn’t bothered going with the initial group but they got 45 seconds on Vino no bother at the end by just accelerating away - they weren’t hurt by the pace.

Valverde looked very good alright. It was a real pity himself and Mayo didn’t work with Moreau because they could have doubled their advantage over Vino. Hope it didn’t take too much out of Moreau (I have him backed) but he looked strong. I was hoping he’d have a cracking time in the mountains and then a respectable time-trial to get a podium finish. In other words replicate what Rasmussen is doing.

Rasmussen is reminding me a lot of Pantani. For years he’s been the most aggressive climber - always going tor the KOTM but now being so dominant in the mountains it looks like he has a chance of taking the overall GC.

I’m terribly suspicious of Mayo. I think he has a dodgy history and I don’t trust Saunier Duval one little bit.

Most interesting thing for me today will be whether Astana let Kloden ride for himself today. There is simply no point in him waiting for Vino if he’s struggling.

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Another poor day for Vino - Kloden will be raging he waited for him the other day. Nothing much between the other contenders who all put took another couple of minutes out of Vino and Kashechkin.

Unlucky fall for one of the T Mobile guys (Burghardt):

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Should be a really climax to the tour. I can’t remember when there have been so many genuine GC contenders as this even before the race, nevermind half way through it. Valverde looked very strong again yesterday. He has ridden conservatively thus far though and I can’t help but feel he could have put more time in between him and other riders. Perhaps he is waiting for the Pyrenees. Astana’s tactics for the Pyrenees should be simple. Keep a high paced tempo which makes it harder for others to attack. This rhytmic sort of style suits the German and he can struggle with big changes of pace (quite similar to Ullrich). Has Mayo ever tested positive Rock? His recent improvements have been remarkable. What is Valverde like in the TT’s? I backed Kloden and am hoping he can take enough time off his rivals to allow him a bad day in the mountains which I am sure he will have. It could be the rider who doesn’t have a bad day who will win as there as so many contenders and no one wants to make a misjudgement. Evans and Rasmussen are both also in with a great shout. I could easily see Rasmussen taking a few minutes out of his rivals in the mountins again. Having said that he is prone to bad days in the ascents also. Fascinating stuff all in all.

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T Mobile rider has tested positive for drugs. Huge blow for Le Tour:

German T-Mobile rider Patrik Sinkewitz has tested positive for elevated levels of testosterone.
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The announcement comes at a time the team is recovering from a series of doping revelations by former riders for its predecessor Team Telekom.

Germany’s National Anti-Doping Agency has informed the German cycling federation that a test on a first sample Sinkewitz gave on June 8 had shown increased levels of the hormone.

Sinkewitz, who pulled out of the Tour de France earlier this week with a broken nose and a shoulder injury after a collision with a spectator, could face a two-year suspension.

The BDR said it would write to 26-year-old, who has been suspended by T-Mobile, and he would then have five days to decide whether to request a second sample given on June 8 be tested.

If that confirmed the positive result, the BDR said it would take the case to the federal court for sport and T-Mobile said it would cancel the rider’s contract.

Speaking to Eurosport before the start of the 10th stage of the Tour – a 229.5km ride from Tallard to Marseille – T-Mobile general manager Bob Stapleton said: "He is suspended and if the analysis of the B sample is also positive his contract will be terminated.

"It’s not a good situation but both the sponsor and the team support NADA and the independent agencies and their test.

"We do everything we can in our team to prevent these circumstances but it shows that it’s still possible and that ultimately if athletes are doing these things they suffer the consequences.

“It is ultimately good for the sport in the long term that these cases happen and they are dealt with.”

UCI president Pat McQuaid said he would wait for the result of the B sample before commenting, adding: “I think it is very unfortunate if this is the case.”

T-Mobile, who won the seventh stage of the Tour thanks to Linus Gerdemann have their own anti-doping programme, including unique blood volume tests that measure the body weight/blood ratio in order to detect blood doping.

German cycling has been hit by a string of doping confessions, including former Telekom riders Dane Bjarne Riis and German Erik Zabel’s admissions that they used banned substances in the 1990s.

German state television stations ARD and ZDF said they were ending coverage of the Tour for the time being after the news of Sinkewitz’s positive test.
Eurosport

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thepiedpiper wrote:

Should be a really climax to the tour. I can’t remember when there have been so many genuine GC contenders as this even before the race, nevermind half way through it. Valverde looked very strong again yesterday. He has ridden conservatively thus far though and I can’t help but feel he could have put more time in between him and other riders. Perhaps he is waiting for the Pyrenees. Astana’s tactics for the Pyrenees should be simple. Keep a high paced tempo which makes it harder for others to attack. This rhytmic sort of style suits the German and he can struggle with big changes of pace (quite similar to Ullrich). Has Mayo ever tested positive Rock? His recent improvements have been remarkable. What is Valverde like in the TT’s? I backed Kloden and am hoping he can take enough time off his rivals to allow him a bad day in the mountains which I am sure he will have. It could be the rider who doesn’t have a bad day who will win as there as so many contenders and no one wants to make a misjudgement. Evans and Rasmussen are both also in with a great shout. I could easily see Rasmussen taking a few minutes out of his rivals in the mountins again. Having said that he is prone to bad days in the ascents also. Fascinating stuff all in all.

It’s shaping up to be a cracking Tour alright but that Sinkewitz positive test (my last post above) could be a huge blow. T Mobile have been at the forefront of cleaning the sport and they don’t deserve a doper on their team.

Agree with you on the tactics - I’d say Valverde is waiting for the Pyrenees and probably Sastre a bit too. Astana need Salvodelli and Kasechkin to keep a high speed so Kloden can burn his rivals away. Even Vino can do a job for him once his chances are gone and Vino can be devestating when he turns up the pace.

Not sure about Valverde’s merits as a timetrialler but he’s unlikely to be as good as K;pden anyway.

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That is a terrible decision by ARD and ZDF. It is clear that T Mobile have done more than anyone to make this a clean tour (even look at Stapleton’s comments there). The actions of one rider outwith of the team should not put a shadow on their performances. Riders who use drugs need to be caught and exposed publicly. This is the way we know the tour is getting cleaner. By ending their coverage ARD and ZDF have increased the chances of more cover ups.

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I’m not sure I agree with you there. They’re probably not criticising T Mobile - they’re just sending a message out to Le Tour that they won’t cover a race where people are cheating. ARD are ex-sponsors of T Mobile and they said before the race started that they’d only cover it as long as they were sure it was a clean race. The drugs scandal in Germany is huge. While we’re congratulating T Mobile for their recent actions their name is mud in Germany because of the confessions of Zabel etc.

When Gerdeman took yellow the other day he used the word “clean” in his press conference 7 times. I was delighted for him because he burst a gut out there to win that stage and take yellow and he said himself that he went way over the line of the effort he expected to put in. He said the younger riders need to take responsibility for cleaning up the sport:

“It’s really hard for young riders to take the responsibility now. But the sport gave a lot to me in the past - and now I think it’s the right moment to give something back.”

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By the way Piper - just to clarify the big stages:

Saturday is TT.

Then Sunday is Pyrenees:

Monday is more mountains:

Tuesday is rest. Then Wednesday more mountains:

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therock67 wrote:

I’m not sure I agree with you there. They’re probably not criticising T Mobile - they’re just sending a message out to Le Tour that they won’t cover a race where people are cheating. ARD are ex-sponsors of T Mobile and they said before the race started that they’d only cover it as long as they were sure it was a clean race. The drugs scandal in Germany is huge. While we’re congratulating T Mobile for their recent actions their name is mud in Germany because of the confessions of Zabel etc.

When Gerdeman took yellow the other day he used the word “clean” in his press conference 7 times. I was delighted for him because he burst a gut out there to win that stage and take yellow and he said himself that he went way over the line of the effort he expected to put in. He said the younger riders need to take responsibility for cleaning up the sport:

“It’s really hard for young riders to take the responsibility now. But the sport gave a lot to me in the past - and now I think it’s the right moment to give something back.”

T Mobile should rightly be criticised for their past. Not their present though. They have gone beyond what the UCI have even expected of teams (and they also have made great stride). Gerdeman quite rightly used the word clean a lot. I really believe he is. If it were a case that T Mobile were in some way turning a blind eye or accepting their riders doping I would applaud ARD’s decision. As it is the clean riders like Gerdeman are being punished totally unfairly. If they are going to react every time one individual dopes then they would have no sports coverage.

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I know that but look at in context.

These stories were huge in Germany. All over their tv and newspapers. The sponsors got scared. They’ve cleaned up their act. TV companies (who were part of the blind-eye in the first place it must be said) have also suffered reputational damage. So they said as long as we’re happy it’s clean we’ll continue to cover it.

What do they do then when a T Mobile guy (of all teams) tests positive?

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Put it in context for their viewers. Highlight the heroics of clean riders. No point in dumbing down the debate and stopping coverage after one rider is caught. If thorough work is done to clean the sport the viewers will not criticise the station imo.

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Maybe not but they had said before the start what their terms and conditions were so it’s hard to criticise them for sticking to their guns. T Mobile will be raging that their main sponsorship market is now blacked out.

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Horrible stage for Moreau today. I won’t see the highlights tonight but I wonder if he can feel hard done by. He crashed early in the stage and was bleeding through his jersey and shorts for most of the stage. He went to the back of the field to be treated by the race doctor and Astana increased the pace as much as they could to split the peleton which left Moreau in a second group of riders chasing the main peloton.

Astana kept the pace up (Vino and Kasechin were leading it a lot) and Moreau couldn’t get back in touch and ended up losing over 3 minutes.

When there’s nobody who’s a danger in GC up in front and when there’s loads of miles before the finish it’s considered unsporting to attack or increase the pace when a big name rider is behind the peloton because of a puncture or crash. Astana possibly feel that Moreau applied too much pressure to Vino the other day which is ridiculous because:
a_ he didn’t crash that day and
b_ it was a mountain stage with no real peloton.

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I have belatedly got into this years Tour. That’s shocking for Moreau and on what was a Kiera Knightlyesque stage today (copyright James Richardson on Eurosport - he meant flat by the way). It was a mere spin down towards the Pyrenees in preparation for Saturday’s time trial and the subsequent mountain stages so to lose time is a disaster. I’m not completely au fait with cycling ethics - so are you basically saying it was very unsporting and not the done thing for the others to attack then Rocko? It was the equivalent stage last year where that Oscar ??? lad got 30 minutes on the peleton and even though he couldn’t climb in the Pyrenees he hung on for 2nd behind the deserving winner, Landis.

Post edited by: Bandage, at: 2007/07/19 18:19

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Yeah it was unsporting. The peloton are supposed to wait for favourites if they’ve been punctured or hampered by a crash if the stage is flat and there are no threats to the GC.

If it was a mountain stage and Rasmussen was out in front and Moreau fell then the Astana boys (Kloden and Vino) would not be expected to wait for Moreau because they are in pursuit of Rasmussen. However if there’s nobody in front, or if anyone who’s out in front is not a major threat to the GC, then etiquette deems that you wait for the crash victim.

Exceptions are in the last few kilometers when the stage has paced up for the sprinters and there’s no waiting then.

I haven’t seen any of today’s stage - I just read the text updated on letour.fr and they didn’t really make any reference to it on there so not sure what the consensus is. I’m surprised they did it though and as it was only Astana who attacked I’d say it didn’t have the support of the other teams - even those with favourites for the overall victory.

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Rasmussen is in trouble now…

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/cycling/6907568.stm

Tour leader in drugs test dispute

Tour de France leader Michael Rasmussen has been dropped by Denmark’s cycling team in a row over drug testing.

The Danish Cycling Union claims he had three warnings over failing to inform doping authorities of his whereabouts.

“It has been decided that Michael will no longer be part of the national team,” said Jesper Worre, the director of the Danish Cycling Union.

Rasmussen, 33, claimed he had only received one warning and blamed the row on an “administrative mistake”.

Worre added: "It is confidential information but people have the right to know that the DCU fights for a clean sport.

“The DCU is not saying that Michael tested positive. But there are question marks over his behaviour and attitude that place doubts over his place in the national team.”

The decision means that Rasmussen cannot represent Denmark at the 2007 World Championships in Stuttgart or compete for Denmark at the 2008 Olympic Games.

The Dane, who rides for Dutch team Rabobank, won stage eight on Sunday to take the overall lead in the Tour that now stands at more than two minutes.

He has won the last two King of the Mountains titles and he recorded his best overall finish in 2005 when he was placed seventh.

In a similar case last year, British Commonwealth 400m champion Christine Ohuruogu was banned for a year by UK Athletics for missing three out-of-competition drugs tests.