So David Walsh has gone native so?
Kimmage isnât giving upâŚ
Short, uninformed and idiotic piece.
[quote=âJulio Geordio, post: 804843, member: 332â]People are retarded.
Some refused to believe Lance was guilty right up until the end. Some Irish still refuse to believe their heroes of the 80âs were up to anything.
Do you cycling types still think Wiggins was clean last year or does this taint that as well?[/quote]
Itâs all part of the wonderful, dark drama that is cycling. Truly the theatre of the absurd.
We know our dark secrets, but we still love it.
What we donât like is when nobodies like Froome are catapulted from being an average housewife to suddenly being the GC collossus.
That rat stinks too much.
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[LEFT][SIZE=14px][FONT=Arial]Itâs Second Captains day! Todayâs show will feature an explosive piece with Paul Kimmage on David Walsh and his support of Chris Froome[/FONT][/SIZE][/LEFT]
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Sounds good to me 
In other news, funny how the cyclingnews forum has been out of action since about Friday or SaturdayâŚ
He was harsh enough on Walsh on Newstalk on Sunday too-sad to see a great friendship go sour. Kind of like Mac[/USER] and [USER=179]artfoley drifting apart and becoming sworn enemies.
:rolleyes:
Mac[/USER] and [USER=179]artfoley are so obviously swingers, along with their wives, itâs almost not funny.
He canât keep any friends it would seem
Mac or Art?
Or David Walsh?
[quote=âHorsebox, post: 805378, member: 1537â]Mac or Art?
Or David Walsh?[/quote]
Mac, Art & Kimmage
Sounds like a 1970âs trad band-has a good ring to it.
Why the big meh mate?
Listened to this last night. Hard not have a degree of sympathy for Kimmage, still fighting the fight, still railing against a sport that continues to have huge question marks over it. Got stitched up by lad over fund set up to help him defned himself against the lawsuit. Documentary crew gets robbed at the start of the tour of all their gear. At the same time, his greatest ally wins journalist of the year, keeps his job with the Times, award winning book to be made into a film, rides with Team Sky for the course of the tour and comes out as the greatest cheerleader for the latest questionable champion of the tour. Their paths have diverged quite a bit. He done his best not to go too far against Walsh last night, but you could tell he was hurting and the frustration is quite plain to hear.
jut my general disdain for second captainsâŚ
Try be more clear in future, and Iâm not referring to the large font.
Below is a table of the average speed of the winner of the tour de france since 1990.
1998 Marco Pantani 41.74
2005 Armstrong 41.66
2003 Armstrong 40.95
2006 Ăscar Pereiro[C] 40.78
2004 Armstrong 40.56
2013 Chris Froome 40.55
2008 Carlos Sastre 40.50
2009 Alberto Contador 40.31
1999 Armstrong 40.28
2001 Armstrong 40.07
2012 Bradley Wiggins 39.92
2002 Armstrong 39.86
2011 Cadel Evans 39.79
2010 Andy Schleck#[D] 39.59
2000 Armstrong 39.57
1992 Miguel Indurain 39.50
1997 Jan Ullrich# 39.30
1996 Bjarne Riis[A] 39.24
2007 Alberto Contador# 39.23
1995 Miguel Indurain 39.19
1991 Miguel Indurain 38.74
1993 Miguel Indurain 38.71
1990 Greg LeMond 38.62
1994 Miguel Indurain 38.38
[quote=âstones_off, post: 805816, member: 1559â]Below is a table of the average speed of the winner of the tour de france since 1990.
1998 Marco Pantani 41.74
2005 Armstrong 41.66
2003 Armstrong 40.95
2006 Ăscar Pereiro[C] 40.78
2004 Armstrong 40.56
2013 Chris Froome 40.55
2008 Carlos Sastre 40.50
2009 Alberto Contador 40.31
1999 Armstrong 40.28
2001 Armstrong 40.07
2012 Bradley Wiggins 39.92
2002 Armstrong 39.86
2011 Cadel Evans 39.79
2010 Andy Schleck#[D] 39.59
2000 Armstrong 39.57
1992 Miguel Indurain 39.50
1997 Jan Ullrich# 39.30
1996 Bjarne Riis[A] 39.24
2007 Alberto Contador# 39.23
1995 Miguel Indurain 39.19
1991 Miguel Indurain 38.74
1993 Miguel Indurain 38.71
1990 Greg LeMond 38.62
1994 Miguel Indurain 38.38[/quote]
Thatâs some achievement by Froome and Wiggers to race clean and still be at the top of that list of junkies.
Wouldnât the terrain of the Tour vary from year to year which might impact on speed, thereby rendering comparisons pointlessL
Well, this yearâs terrain was very mountainous, and even a lot of the flatter stages had some serious lumps in them. So Iâd consider it a lot harder than some years there where you can say for sure that the winner was a doper. So the point stands. Froome really must be an extra-terrestrial.
Yes. Also quality of equipment, tt and ttt kmâs significant too.
Link to Kimmage interview anyone please