Drugs In Rugby

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Read it pal thanks. Kimmage delivering smackdowns all over the shop :joy::joy:

He still hasn’t released any of his details about all the Irish dopers

My own position on the matter, in case you missed it last week, is I would have preferred if Munster hadnt signed this lad.

The drugs issue aside, isn’t it a bit dim that they had to sign this lad from Racing, who were willing to let him go, in order to replace Donnacha Ryan, who the let go to be signed by Racing.

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Cheaters prosper

Completely. Unless Ryan had a preference to go. Which appears to be the case based on offer he was made. Grobler was signed on the cheap for 12 months to bridge the gap to Tadgh Beirne arriving. Id say they rue the day they ever heard of him now tbh

There’s no way they didn’t consider this I’m advance. Rasmus decided to sign this guy and no one had the balls to say, on balance we don’t want him.

Obviously this fella was a lot cheaper than Ryan. But they basically swapped ryan for him, it’s fookin thick.

Where did Beirne start out in Ireland? Why did he have to go abroad to develop? Munster lost out on Dillane as well. So they’ve a shit record in identifying and retaining Irish talent. I see they just signed an 18 year old South African prop too. Are they just thick or what?

  1. Unless Ryan wanted to go based on (massive) offer he was made

  2. Leinster let Beirne leave their academy having played a few senior games

  3. Dillane was offered an academy place in Munster which he declined because connacht offered him a development contract i.e. more money.

Leinster signed Fardy and nagle over last few years having let Beirne go. Its not an exact science at all.

Big mess up by Munster Rugby and the IRFU, no matter what way you look at it.

There’s been some amount of whining and whataboutery online from some munster fans (ie. the likes of the Threeredkings account etc) about Munster getting grief for this. They genuinely seem to feel they’re being victimised by the Dublin Meeja here. Mad stuff

Of course it’s not an exact science, but their record isn’t great is it?

Or is their budget too weak to keep players they want to keep? How can Connacht be in a position to offer dillane a better contract? More likely that they did a better job assessing his value and potential. Why couldn’t munster manage to come up with something near enough to keep Ryan? Leinster would have kept him if they wanted him.

I would have thought it was the IRFU making that call? Munster are just a franchisee of the IRFU.

Munster don’t have the financial resources of Leinster. Plus it doesn’t always work out like that. Look at when Nathan Hines left Leinster when they desperately wanted him to stay.

Maybe I’ve gor the wrong impression but leinster would have not allowed the irfu to lose that player.

It’s like trying explain Chopin to monkeys mate. This fella just doesn’t get it.

Foreign player v Irish player, apples and oranges.

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IRFU set out to undermine Munster.

Not at all. All about the dollar bills in both cases. Clermont offered Hines a longer and more lucrative contract as Racing did with Ryan. Why did Sexton go to Racing? Surely Leinster wouldn’t have allowed the IRFU to lose him?

Because the IRFU didn’t want to be responsible for him

he was one concussion away from long term damage

10 concussions ;later that ship has sailed

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I would guess this is Nucifora’s fault at a top level and the Munster PRO below that. He probably didn’t pay too much attention to who the stop gap player was as at the time the Erasmus saga was ongoing and the IRFU were focused on getting an Irish player back. This guy was cheap enough I’d say, in the grand scheme of imports, and being a stop gap wouldn’t have been looked at by Nucifora. Munster probably put the lad forward and it was stamped clean without looking at it properly. Poor show and the top blazers at the IRFU will not be happy- at the same time though people are sensitive to Nucifora’s personal situation at the moment.