Drugs In Rugby

[gilgamboa]

@glasagusban

Of course it’s not an exact science, but their record isn’t great is it?

Or is their budget too weak to keep players they want to keep? How can Connacht be in a position to offer dillane a better contract? More likely that they did a better job assessing his value and potential. Why couldn’t munster manage to come up with something near enough to keep Ryan? Leinster would have kept him if they wanted him

How many other superstars have they let slip through their fingers due to missing their potential? Was it a bigger miss than Leinster letting Beirne go?

Dillane was offered an academy deal on about 10k a year, Connacht offered about 30k development deal. In hindsight of course it is a poor decision but I dont think its a symptom of a great structural deficiency in the organisation that you are hinting at.

Ryan was a disappointing loss. No doubt. Munster fans and Id say much of the coaching structure were seething over it. But when the IRFU wont pay the piper then what do you do. Munster knew they had Murray, Stander and POM to tie down and id say whatever private money they had available to supplement IRFU salary was accounted for there. And they knew they had Beirne in pipeline.

[gilgamboa]

@glasagusban

Maybe I’ve gor the wrong impression but leinster would have not allowed the irfu to lose that player

Madigan? Or is it possible Leinster saw the pipline ahead and picked their battles?

[gilgamboa]

@Horsebox

Why did Sexton go to Racing? Surely Leinster wouldn’t have allowed the IRFU to lose him?

Surely

[gilgamboa]

@Tim_Riggins

I would guess this is Nucifora’s fault at a top level and the Munster PRO below that. He probably didn’t pay too much attention to who the stop gap player was as at the time the Erasmus saga was ongoing and the IRFU were focused on getting an Irish player back. This guy was cheap enough I’d say, in the grand scheme of imports, and being a stop gap wouldn’t have been looked at by Nucifora. Munster probably put the lad forward and it was stamped clean without looking at it properly. Poor show and the top blazers at the IRFU will not be happy- at the same time though people are sensitive to Nucifora’s personal situation at the moment.

+1. Well said.

[tallback]

@gilgamboa

@glasagusban

Of course it’s not an exact science, but their record isn’t great is it?

Or is their budget too weak to keep players they want to keep? How can Connacht be in a position to offer dillane a better contract? More likely that they did a better job assessing his value and potential. Why couldn’t munster manage to come up with something near enough to keep Ryan? Leinster would have kept him if they wanted him

How many other superstars have they let slip through their fingers due to missing their potential? Was it a bigger miss than Leinster letting Beirne go?

Dillane was offered an academy deal on about 10k a year, Connacht offered about 30k development deal. In hindsight of course it is a poor decision but I dont think its a symptom of a great structural deficiency in the organisation that you are hinting at.

Ryan was a disappointing loss. No doubt. Munster fans and Id say much of the coaching structure were seething over it. But when the IRFU wont pay the piper then what do you do. Munster knew they had Murray, Stander and POM to tie down and id say whatever private money they had available to supplement IRFU salary was accounted for there. And they knew they had Beirne in pipeline.

On top of which Ryan was at the higher age range, wasn’t cast-iron for Ireland (i.e. not a central contract by any means) and had a significant injury profile.

There is definitely an underbelly of continued victimhood from some Munster fans, it’s fairly unbecoming.

[gilgamboa]

@tallback

On top of which Ryan was at the higher age range, wasn’t cast-iron for Ireland (i.e. not a central contract by any means) and had a significant injury profile.

There is definitely an underbelly of continued victimhood from some Munster fans, it’s fairly unbecoming.

The victimhood here is coming from glas though who isnt a Munster fan. Agree with your latter point think I said as much at the time disappointing to lose him but was some logic behind the decision whether one agreed with it or not

[Horsebox]

@tallback

@gilgamboa

@glasagusban

Of course it’s not an exact science, but their record isn’t great is it?

Or is their budget too weak to keep players they want to keep? How can Connacht be in a position to offer dillane a better contract? More likely that they did a better job assessing his value and potential. Why couldn’t munster manage to come up with something near enough to keep Ryan? Leinster would have kept him if they wanted him

How many other superstars have they let slip through their fingers due to missing their potential? Was it a bigger miss than Leinster letting Beirne go?

Dillane was offered an academy deal on about 10k a year, Connacht offered about 30k development deal. In hindsight of course it is a poor decision but I dont think its a symptom of a great structural deficiency in the organisation that you are hinting at.

Ryan was a disappointing loss. No doubt. Munster fans and Id say much of the coaching structure were seething over it. But when the IRFU wont pay the piper then what do you do. Munster knew they had Murray, Stander and POM to tie down and id say whatever private money they had available to supplement IRFU salary was accounted for there. And they knew they had Beirne in pipeline.

On top of which Ryan was at the higher age range, wasn’t cast-iron for Ireland (i.e. not a central contract by any means) and had a significant injury profile.

There is definitely an underbelly of continued victimhood from some Munster fans, it’s fairly unbecoming.

He was the best lock in Ireland last year without doubt and he would be starting for Ireland in the 6 nations were he still here and fit. The rest is all true and he’s more or less been injured since he went there anyway.

[tallback]

@gilgamboa

@tallback

On top of which Ryan was at the higher age range, wasn’t cast-iron for Ireland (i.e. not a central contract by any means) and had a significant injury profile.

There is definitely an underbelly of continued victimhood from some Munster fans, it’s fairly unbecoming.

The victimhood here is coming from glas though who isnt a Munster fan. Agree with your latter point think I said as much at the time disappointing to lose him but was some logic behind the decision whether one agreed with it or not

I wouldn’t say there’s much here to be fair - more in other forums/social media

[gilgamboa]

@tallback

I wouldn’t say there’s much here to be fair - more in other forums/social media

Id tend to avoid fan forums like the plague. And most of twitter also. The one eyed nature of it is infuriating

[glasagusban]

I don’t bother that much but I’d watch rugby and generally like to see minster winning, or any of the Irish teams. I just think they’ve been pretty shambolic in this whole episode.

There was probably less money available at the time sexton went which is another factor.

You’re point about the clubs having an eye on other upcoming contracts and picking their battles is a good one.

[myboyblue]

What’s the deal with Nuciforas personal situation you referenced?

[myboyblue]

Ryan threatened to leave around the time of the second Heineken Cup win, he made quite the ultimatum to the Munster chiefs ye week of the final.

[gilgamboa]

His daughter died in last few weeks

[myboyblue]

Fuck.

Reports aren’t too clear either which makes its own suggestions.

[gilgamboa]

No idea. She was only 21. Tragic either way.

[gilgamboa]

@glasagusban

Where did Beirne start out in Ireland? Why did he have to go abroad to develop? Munster lost out on Dillane as well. So they’ve a shit record in identifying and retaining Irish talent. I see they just signed an 18 year old South African prop too. Are they just thick or what?

Any comment on this @glasagusban

A Hawaiian former American footballer is part of Leinster’s sub-academy http://the42.ie/3807005

[Julio_Geordio]

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/six-nations/paul-kimmage-meets-laurent-benezech-the-whole-object-of-speaking-out-was-to-prevent-someone-dropping-dead-on-a-rugby-pitch-36537962.html

Have we had this yet?

[Bandage]

Is this the guy that weirdo Kimmage mentions or interviews every 2 or 3 months? He’s as bad as Brolly for recycling the same article. Seems to be a real “I need to have the last word” merchant.

[Julio_Geordio]

@Bandage

Is this the guy that weirdo Kimmage mentions or interviews every 2 or 3 months? He’s as bad as Brolly for recycling the same article. Seems to be a real “I need to have the last word” merchant.

Sweep Sweep

[myboyblue]

Kimmage has been running into brick walls with regards drugs in rugby in Ireland, he must be seething over it.