Dublin v Mayo - All-Ireland Senior Football Final 2013

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Agree with Kev there. Horan made some awful decisions. If Freeman was injured, then fair enough, but he looked surprised going off and didnt look injured. Moving Higgins back I thought was an awful decision. He was controlling the attack for Mayo, Brennan was lost. Brennan was holding his centre back position, but Higgins was all over the place getting on the ball. When they went more orthodox with their set up, then Brennan had a much better second half. And Seamie O Shea was playing better, again, than his brother. He was the best of the midfielders, but was taken off. Mayo seemed to panic more, compare to Dublin who had a set plan of changes and worked them well.

Still havent watched the game back, but watched injury time there just to see how much the ball was in play. Of the 4.35 that McQuillan played, the ball was in play for 1.40 of it due to the persistant Dublin fouls. They fouled 6 times, and got 1 yellow card. On the one free they won, Ger Brennan picked the ball up and kicked it away, which should have been a throw ball.

So in the space of 4 and a half minutes, of which you only have 1 minute 40 of playing time, Dublin conceded 1/3 of their total fouls in the second half. 2 things about this, the black card will be utterly fucking useless. Players make fouls in the last few minutes to waste time. It clearly and obviously works. So how will theblack card enable time not to be wasted? And secondly, as observed after the hurling final, there needs to be proper timekeeping, away from the ref. Apparently McQuillan told the players there was at least 30 seconds to be played after the free O Connor kickeed over. And he was correct, he did allow another 30 seconds. It was just for that 30 seconds the ball as out of play.

I wouldnt mind going back another 5 minutes before the end too, as the cynical fouling was pretty bad then too. But the way the rules are there right now, are there for all to exploit. As Kavanagh did when he hauled down the monaghan player through on goal, what else was he going to do? The rules allowed him to do that. Same with Dublin yesterday, under the current rules, they were punished for every indiscretion. but every foul they made at the end was totally to their advantage.

[quote=“Bandage, post: 836061, member: 9”]
Mayo were awarded the last free after 73:30 and O’Connor popped it over after after 74:05. What the fuck was he at?[/quote]
He was wating on McQuillan to get the player back the right distance, and then pricked about for a few seconds asking the bench whther he should put it over or not.

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[quote=“Gman, post: 836066, member: 112”]Agree with Kev there. Horan made some awful decisions. If Freeman was injured, then fair enough, but he looked surprised going off and didnt look injured. Moving Higgins back I thought was an awful decision. He was controlling the attack for Mayo, Brennan was lost. Brennan was holding his centre back position, but Higgins was all over the place getting on the ball. When they went more orthodox with their set up, then Brennan had a much better second half. And Seamie O Shea was playing better, again, than his brother. He was the best of the midfielders, but was taken off. Mayo seemed to panic more, compare to Dublin who had a set plan of changes and worked them well.

Still havent watched the game back, but watched injury time there just to see how much the ball was in play. Of the 4.35 that McQuillan played, the ball was in play for 1.40 of it due to the persistant Dublin fouls. They fouled 6 times, and got 1 yellow card. On the one free they won, Ger Brennan picked the ball up and kicked it away, which should have been a throw ball.

So in the space of 4 and a half minutes, of which you only have 1 minute 40 of playing time, Dublin conceded 1/3 of their total fouls in the second half. 2 things about this, the black card will be utterly fucking useless. Players make fouls in the last few minutes to waste time. It clearly and obviously works. So how will theblack card enable time not to be wasted? And secondly, as observed after the hurling final, there needs to be proper timekeeping, away from the ref. Apparently McQuillan told the players there was at least 30 seconds to be played after the free O Connor kickeed over. And he was correct, he did allow another 30 seconds. It was just for that 30 seconds the ball as out of play.

I wouldnt mind going back another 5 minutes before the end too, as the cynical fouling was pretty bad then too. But the way the rules are there right now, are there for all to exploit. As Kavanagh did when he hauled down the monaghan player through on goal, what else was he going to do? The rules allowed him to do that. Same with Dublin yesterday, under the current rules, they were punished for every indiscretion. but every foul they made at the end was totally to their advantage.

He was wating on McQuillan to get the player back the right distance, and then pricked about for a few seconds asking the bench whther he should put it over or not.[/quote]

:D:D:D

Gman is such a dweeb

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[quote=“Gman, post: 836066, member: 112”]Agree with Kev there. Horan made some awful decisions. If Freeman was injured, then fair enough, but he looked surprised going off and didnt look injured. Moving Higgins back I thought was an awful decision. He was controlling the attack for Mayo, Brennan was lost. Brennan was holding his centre back position, but Higgins was all over the place getting on the ball. When they went more orthodox with their set up, then Brennan had a much better second half. And Seamie O Shea was playing better, again, than his brother. He was the best of the midfielders, but was taken off. Mayo seemed to panic more, compare to Dublin who had a set plan of changes and worked them well.

Still havent watched the game back, but watched injury time there just to see how much the ball was in play. Of the 4.35 that McQuillan played, the ball was in play for 1.40 of it due to the persistant Dublin fouls. They fouled 6 times, and got 1 yellow card. On the one free they won, Ger Brennan picked the ball up and kicked it away, which should have been a throw ball.

So in the space of 4 and a half minutes, of which you only have 1 minute 40 of playing time, Dublin conceded 1/3 of their total fouls in the second half. 2 things about this, the black card will be utterly fucking useless. Players make fouls in the last few minutes to waste time. It clearly and obviously works. So how will theblack card enable time not to be wasted? And secondly, as observed after the hurling final, there needs to be proper timekeeping, away from the ref. Apparently McQuillan told the players there was at least 30 seconds to be played after the free O Connor kickeed over. And he was correct, he did allow another 30 seconds. It was just for that 30 seconds the ball as out of play.

I wouldnt mind going back another 5 minutes before the end too, as the cynical fouling was pretty bad then too. But the way the rules are there right now, are there for all to exploit. As Kavanagh did when he hauled down the monaghan player through on goal, what else was he going to do? The rules allowed him to do that. Same with Dublin yesterday, under the current rules, they were punished for every indiscretion. but every foul they made at the end was totally to their advantage.

He was wating on McQuillan to get the player back the right distance, and then pricked about for a few seconds asking the bench whther he should put it over or not.[/quote]
Close to 2 minutes of the 4 was taken by O’Connor not hitting his kicks straight away. He had two of them and chose to take over 40 seconds on both of them. As the Sunday Game showed last night, there was over 30 seconds between McQuillan saying there was 30 seconds left and O’Connor taking the free - that’s before Cluxton takes his time with the kick out etc. Anyway Dublin won the kick out so the emphasis on the timekeeping within the 4 minutes is misplaced.

There still needs to be something done about cynical fouling and time wasting but why O’Connor felt he was entitled to take as long as he wanted to make up his mind about tapping the free over and still have the time in his back pocket is beyond me.

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[quote=“Bandage, post: 836061, member: 9”]I couldn’t believe Joe McQuillan’s performance yesterday. Fair play to Dublin for overcoming the fact he laughably and quite incredibly awarded Mayo 20 more frees than them.

It’s still ridiculous even when you acknowledge the 3 or 4 cynical fouls committed late on out the field when they’d used all their subs and had a concussed Rory O’Carroll on the pitch and Eoghan O’Gara with a torn hamstring.

Mayo lacked the composure to pick off the scores in those last 3 or 4 minutes of normal time plus the injury time that followed. Clever move by Gavin to position Paul Flynn around the “D” for the last 10-15 minutes too.

Mayo were awarded the last free after 73:30 and O’Connor popped it over after after 74:05. What the fuck was he at?[/quote]

Absolutely, he also completely ignored the tactic of obstructing the dublin player after they passed in order to stop them creating overlaps and break their momentum. Mayo pulled this shit all day.

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[quote=“Gman, post: 836066, member: 112”]Agree with Kev there. Horan made some awful decisions. If Freeman was injured, then fair enough, but he looked surprised going off and didnt look injured. Moving Higgins back I thought was an awful decision. He was controlling the attack for Mayo, Brennan was lost. Brennan was holding his centre back position, but Higgins was all over the place getting on the ball. When they went more orthodox with their set up, then Brennan had a much better second half. And Seamie O Shea was playing better, again, than his brother. He was the best of the midfielders, but was taken off. Mayo seemed to panic more, compare to Dublin who had a set plan of changes and worked them well.

Still havent watched the game back, but watched injury time there just to see how much the ball was in play. Of the 4.35 that McQuillan played, the ball was in play for 1.40 of it due to the persistant Dublin fouls. They fouled 6 times, and got 1 yellow card. On the one free they won, Ger Brennan picked the ball up and kicked it away, which should have been a throw ball.

So in the space of 4 and a half minutes, of which you only have 1 minute 40 of playing time, Dublin conceded 1/3 of their total fouls in the second half. 2 things about this, the black card will be utterly fucking useless. Players make fouls in the last few minutes to waste time. It clearly and obviously works. So how will theblack card enable time not to be wasted? And secondly, as observed after the hurling final, there needs to be proper timekeeping, away from the ref. Apparently McQuillan told the players there was at least 30 seconds to be played after the free O Connor kickeed over. And he was correct, he did allow another 30 seconds. It was just for that 30 seconds the ball as out of play.

I wouldnt mind going back another 5 minutes before the end too, as the cynical fouling was pretty bad then too. But the way the rules are there right now, are there for all to exploit. As Kavanagh did when he hauled down the monaghan player through on goal, what else was he going to do? The rules allowed him to do that. Same with Dublin yesterday, under the current rules, they were punished for every indiscretion. but every foul they made at the end was totally to their advantage.[/quote]
Good post. How many yellows did Dublin actually pick up in the last 10 mins or so? The frees and cards were completely ineffective as a sanction, as you’ve pointed out. A sin bin is the only way to go here.

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[quote=“Gman, post: 836066, member: 112”]Agree with Kev there. Horan made some awful decisions. If Freeman was injured, then fair enough, but he looked surprised going off and didnt look injured. Moving Higgins back I thought was an awful decision. He was controlling the attack for Mayo, Brennan was lost. Brennan was holding his centre back position, but Higgins was all over the place getting on the ball. When they went more orthodox with their set up, then Brennan had a much better second half. And Seamie O Shea was playing better, again, than his brother. He was the best of the midfielders, but was taken off. Mayo seemed to panic more, compare to Dublin who had a set plan of changes and worked them well.

Still havent watched the game back, but watched injury time there just to see how much the ball was in play. Of the 4.35 that McQuillan played, the ball was in play for 1.40 of it due to the persistant Dublin fouls. They fouled 6 times, and got 1 yellow card. On the one free they won, Ger Brennan picked the ball up and kicked it away, which should have been a throw ball.

So in the space of 4 and a half minutes, of which you only have 1 minute 40 of playing time, Dublin conceded 1/3 of their total fouls in the second half. 2 things about this, the black card will be utterly fucking useless. Players make fouls in the last few minutes to waste time. It clearly and obviously works. So how will theblack card enable time not to be wasted? And secondly, as observed after the hurling final, there needs to be proper timekeeping, away from the ref. Apparently McQuillan told the players there was at least 30 seconds to be played after the free O Connor kickeed over. And he was correct, he did allow another 30 seconds. It was just for that 30 seconds the ball as out of play.

I wouldnt mind going back another 5 minutes before the end too, as the cynical fouling was pretty bad then too. But the way the rules are there right now, are there for all to exploit. As Kavanagh did when he hauled down the monaghan player through on goal, what else was he going to do? The rules allowed him to do that. Same with Dublin yesterday, under the current rules, they were punished for every indiscretion. but every foul they made at the end was totally to their advantage.

He was wating on McQuillan to get the player back the right distance, and then pricked about for a few seconds asking the bench whther he should put it over or not.[/quote]

what a crap post… fucking hell

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[quote=“Rocko, post: 836069, member: 1”]Close to 2 minutes of the 4 was taken by O’Connor not hitting his kicks straight away. He had two of them and chose to take over 40 seconds on both of them. As the Sunday Game showed last night, there was over 30 seconds between McQuillan saying there was 30 seconds left and O’Connor taking the free - that’s before Cluxton takes his time with the kick out etc. Anyway Dublin won the kick out so the emphasis on the timekeeping within the 4 minutes is misplaced.

There still needs to be something done about cynical fouling and time wasting but why O’Connor felt he was entitled to take as long as he wanted to make up his mind about tapping the free over and still have the time in his back pocket is beyond me.[/quote]

how is a minute and 20 second close to 2 minutes? but anyway, point taken, he did spend way too long pricking about, they were handy frees on the 21, tap them over and move on. I still think that having the ball in play for about a third of the alloted time shows there is a flaw in the timekeeping, in injury time in particular. But that is a rules issue. What Dublin did is the exact same as what Mayo would have done in the same position.

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[quote=“tazdedub, post: 836044, member: 312”]Think you are being a bit harsh on Horan there Kev. The problem mayo have and a lot if teams at the moment have is that they lack the strength in depth that Dublin have. Horan simply didn’t have the players that he could send on to change the game, where as Dublin had them in abundance.

It is something that mayo will have to work and try to build up some strength in depth through the league and Connaught championship so that when they do get to an All Ireland final and the shit hits the fan they can make the changes from the bench rather than moving there best performing forward in to the backs.[/quote]

I think you are over stating the strength of Dublins squad. It’s good, but it’s not that great either.

Mayo had players on the line who played in an All Ireland final.

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Who got Man of the Match?

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Over 40 seconds each can’t remember the amounts but if they were over 45 then it would be over a minute and a half and that’s close to 2 minutes. Close enough anyway.

But yeah the point is that they had 4 minutes of injury time and it was disrupted by fouling etc but it was incredibly naive to waste that time themselves. Everyone knows by now (because it’s been such a big issue in the last few years) that there is no added time for the time taken to hit a free. So you know the clock is rolling (or you should know it) and it’s nonsense to complain about that afterwards.

There is a rules issue that needs addressing though. I think it’s less about timekeeping and more about fouling. Mayo didn’t run out of time yesterday - they weren’t going to win if there was another 10 minutes added on.

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Thought Ger Brennan should have got it for that point alone. Yesterday was a great vindication for him. O’Gara was terrific.

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O Gara, Brennan and to a lesser extent Bastick rammed it down the throats of a lot of naysayers yesterday.

Hope you enjoyed the night Sid.

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Ger Brennan is the best foot passer from the back in the game. He’s an outstanding footballer.

My MoTM top 5 was:

  1. Cian O’Sullivan;
  2. Ger Brennan;
  3. Bernard Brogan;
  4. James McCarthy;
  5. Paul Flynn.
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[quote=“Bandage, post: 836087, member: 9”]Ger Brennan is the best foot passer from the back in the game. He’s an outstanding footballer.

My MoTM top 5 was:

  1. Cian O’Sullivan;
  2. Ger Brennan;
  3. Bernard Brogan;
  4. James McCarthy;
  5. Paul Flynn.[/quote]
    O Gara is harshly overlooked there but couldn’t pick one to leave him out for him, Flynn perhaps.
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True on O’Gara too. Vindication for the likes of us who’ve said he had a part to play at this level.

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[quote=“myboyblue, post: 836086, member: 180”]O Gara, Brennan and to a lesser extent Bastick rammed it down the throats of a lot of naysayers yesterday.

Hope you enjoyed the night Sid.[/quote]
I’d give it about 7/10. In truth I wanted Joe McQuillan to let play go on and Mayo to equalise.

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[quote=“Rocko, post: 836015, member: 1”]Was it really disgraceful? Obviously they missed him in the forwards but they wer the looking exposed defensively towards the end of the first half and obviously decided putting him back there was a more important fix for the team. Now not scoring a point from play for the last 45 minutes suggests their need was greater higher up the pitch but that’s hindsight and it’s unclear he’d have made them any better at shot selection etc.

To conclude: a decision that didn’t work out but one that wasn’t disgraceful.[/quote]

Disgraceful is a strong word but tt was a very defensive move Rocko that ceded a big advantage to Dublin IMO. Moving your best forward back to mark Eoghan O Gara?!!
Even when O’Gara was hobbling around Higgins should have deserted him and gone upfield. They needed him so badly in the half forward line I just couldnt believe they didnt make the switch back.