[quote=“Gman, post: 836772, member: 112”]would agree with the first bit, he definitely would have a role in the tactics of it.
disagree with the second though. I certainly wouldnt have said he had a poor day at all.[/quote]
shit for the goal
nearly letting a ball bounce over his head
nonsense…to be able to kick a ball that accurate and far consistently with fuck all of a run up is a skill in itself…being able to change direction of kick in an instant just before you kick it is a skill too… all you have to do is listen to the opposition players regards his kickouts…they are always saying how important it is and how good he is…that’s worth a lot more than any opinion an idiot like @caoimhaoin who never played to any reasonable level can give…experiencing it as opposed to watching it will always be worth way more…the alleged greatest midfield combination of all time in the O’shea brothers were rendered useless by Cluxton on sunday…
[quote=“The Wild Colonial Bhoy, post: 836775, member: 80”]shit for the goal
nearly letting a ball bounce over his head[/quote]
he’s at that all year…far too eager to dash off his line and get involved when it was best at times just to hang back…
Was interesting how for Dublin frees that Cluxton hit the referee was constantly making a “speed up” hand gesture
Seemed to unsettle Cluxton a little
shows how referees are influenced by the media etc as no such gesture was made for other free takers
Cluxton kick outs at times were high risk - he bobbled one along the ground down the middle about 15 or 20 minutes into first half. Mayo never adjusted - you don’t need to be where the ball lands to stop those free kicks - you just need to be in the vicinity to make it too risky to try and once you intercept one soft one then they won’t try it again as they look silly
[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 836698, member: 273”]He was a disgrace. He changed the way he reffed the tackle amongst other things. He screwed Dublin early in and screwed Mayo in 2nd half. It was as embarrassing a performance as Mrty Duffy in 09.
He started giving Dubs decisions when tired.
Both finals this year have had incredible pace and intensity. The referees are not able to stay up with it. It’s hard to blame them. Time for 2 refs.[/quote]
You say its hard to blame a referee yet call McQuillan a disgrace. 
01:45: Michael Darragh McAuley crashes into the back of Donal Vaughan – free correctly awarded. 1.
03:08 – Paddy Andrews late slap to the chest on Kevin McLoughlin – foul and probable yellow card but not given
04:30 – Paul Mannion fouls Tom Cunniffe – free correctly awarded for leading with elbow rather than shoulder. 2.
06:25 – Michael Darragh McAuley brings down Seamus O’Shea – correct decision. 3.
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08:04 Paul Flynn adjudged to have fouled Donal Vaughan at kickout – borderline, but incident not fully covered by camera, so debatable. Free given. 4
08:22 Jonny Cooper fouls Andy Moran – incorrect decision. 5.
11:35 –Philly McMahon picks the ball off the ground – free correctly awarded. 6.
12:40 Tom Cunniffe fouls Paul Mannion – free correctly awarded. 1
14:01: Diarmuid Connolly tackle on Lee Keegan – free given, slightly soft but still probably a correctly awarded free. 7.
15:47: Chris Barrett closed hand tackle on Ciaran Kilkenny – foul not awarded, incorrect decision, Dublin got the goal seconds later so McQuillan’s incorrect decision in this case ended up benefitting them.
18:28: Eoghan O’Gara push in the back on Ger Cafferkey – free correctly awarded. Free correctly moved up 13 metres for obstruction by O’Gara. 8.
19:19: Ciaran Kilkenny fouled by a combination of two Mayo players, free correctly awarded and correctly moved up 13 metres for knocking the ball out of Kilkenny’s hand as he was about to take the free. 2.
19:50: Alan Freeman fouled by Rory O’Carroll tackle to the face and Jack McCaffrey tackle to the face – correct decision but McQuillan could have allowed advantage – Freeman worked a goal chance but in the referee’s defence a goal did not look on when the initial foul was made and it was in a clear scoring area so any advantage would had to have been a obvious goal chance. 9.
21:35: Seamus O’Shea held up by Cian O’Sullivan – free correctly awarded. 10.
22:30: Lee Keegan gets a yellow card for dragging back Diarmuid Connolly – correct decision. Free given. 3.
22:57: Bernard Brogan blown up for overcarrying – correct decision. 11.
23:55 [B]Paddy Andrews penalised for push on Keith Higgins – free awarded, borderline decision, certainly softish. 12.
26: 20: Eoghan O’Gara pulls back Tom Cunniffe and gathers possession before setting up Maichael Darragh McAuley for a goal chance. Not spotted by McQuillan.[/B]
26:30 Dublin incorrectly awarded a 45 (which Stephen Cluxton pointed) when Michael Darragh McAuley’s shot was saved by Hennelly but rebounded off McAuley. Umpiring decision.
27:45: Alan Dillon caught in possession and tackle around the head area by both Diarmuid Connolly and Ciaran Kilkenny – free correctly awarded. 13
27:57: Andy Moran falls over theatrically in an attempt to win a free but McQuillan correctly ignores it. Correct decision.
33:13: Lee Keegan pulls Diarmuid Connolly’s jersey – free correctly awarded. 4.
35:16: Cian O’Sullivan takes 11 steps – free to Mayo should have been given but wasn’t.
35:28: Cillian O’Connor puts his arm around Jack McCaffrey’s neck – free correctly given. 5.
36:05: Andy Moran clearly fouled by Cian O’Sullivan and Rory O’Carroll – free incorrectly given to Dublin. 6.
37:25 Bernard Brogan catches Keith Higgins around the neck in an attempt to tackle but a free is not given.
38:53: Cillian O’Connor drags down Philly McMahon as the two go for the ball but McQuillan gives Dublin the advantage and allows them play their way out. Correct advantage.
39:20: Chris Barrett leaves a boot in on Ciaran Kilkenny as Kilkenny attempts to pick the ball up. Free should have been given to Dublin but wasn’t.
40: 46: James McCarthy leads with the elbow on Colm Boyle. Free not awarded. Probably not serious enough to warrant a yellow card, though.
40:50: Eoghan O’Gara cynically pulls down Colm Boyle and then leans in with the knee to prevent Boyle getting up quickly. Free correctly awarded, but a yellow card should have been awarded too. Would have been a black card offence next year. 13.
41:07: Paul Flynn trips Andy Moran just outside the penalty area. No free given.
41:10: Moran is crowded out by three Dublin players. All tackles look fair, and Moran probably overplays the ball. Free incorrectly awarded to Mayo, perhaps to make up for what had happened a few seconds earlier. 14.
42:33: Keith Higgins pushed over by Eoghan O’Gara. Free correctly awarded. 15.
44:55 Cathal Carolan fouls Darren Daly. Free correctly awarded. 7.
45:53: Diarmuid Connolly fouls Lee Keegan. Free correctly awarded. 16.
47:00 Michael Conroy goes down under pressure from Jonny Cooper in a scoring area. Cooper and Rory O’Carroll both lay hands on his neck during the incident. Borderline free, but not given.
47:57: Eoghan O’Gara tackles Donal Vaughan around the neck and then drags him down from behind. Yellow card correctly given. Should have been a second yellow offence for O’Gara. 17.
51:00 Cillian O’Connor pulls back Rory O’Carroll. Free correctly awarded. 8.
54:22. Paul Flynn pulls Kevin McLoughlin’s jersey. Free correctly awarded. 18.
54:31. Cian O’Sullivan fouls Andy Moran. Free correctly awarded. 19.
56:08. Ger Cafferkey adjudged to have pushed Bernard Brogan in the back. Difficult to see from camera angle but McQuillan seemed quite certain of the decision so was likely correct. 9.
57:59: Rory O’Carroll gets a yellow card for a tackle on Enda Varley. This was a very marginal decision. On the live viewing it looked shoulder to shoulder, and it’s an honest attempt to tackle fairly, but O’Carroll does get very slightly above Varley’s shoulder and crashes into his head. Purely on a live viewing I would have called it as a wrong decision. But either decision would have been understandable. 20
62:35: Darren Daly fouls Colm Boyle and throws ball back to stop it being taken quickly. Free correctly awarded. 21.
64:23 Darren Daly fouls Enda Varley. Free given. Attemped shoulder to shoulder, but probably a foul. Debatable yellow, I probably wouldn’t have given it. 22.
64:57: Bernard Brogan drags Aidan O’Se down around the neck and then knocks the ball out of his hand before he can take it. Free correctly given and correctly moved forward 13 metres. Yellow card should have been given. 23.
65:57: Dean Rock fouls Colm Boyle. Free given, but looked soft and I would not have awarded it. 24.
66:13. Andy Moran fouls Cian O’Sullivan from behind. Softish, but still probably a free. 10.
67:20. Colm Boyle lunges at Kevin McManamon. Free correctly awarded. Yellow card awarded, slightly harshly. 11.
68:40: Kevin McManamon rugby tackles Lee Keegan and holds him down with his body to stop him getting up. Free and yellow card correctly awarded. Would be a stonewall black card offence next year. Worst foul of the match. 25.
69:10: Darren Daly pushes Enda Varley. Free correctly awarded. 26.
69:51: Keith Higgins pulls Kevin McManamon’s jersey on the Cusack Stand side 35 metres out. Free not given.
70:14: Ger Brennan fouls Ger Cafferkey around the neck and repeatedly obstructs him from taking a quick free. Free and yellow card correctly awarded. 27.
70:36: Dean Rock pulls back Aidan O’Shea in midfield. Free correctly awarded. Should have been a yellow card. 28.
70:43: Donal Vaughan fouled by Darren Daly (I think) in a scoring area 25m out. Philly McMahon is fouled by Colm Boyle and free to Dublin is given.12.
71:27: Dean Rock fouls Chris Barrett. Free correctly awarded. 29.
71:38: Colm Boyle slapped around the face by Denis Bastick. Free correctly awarded. 30.
72:52. James McCarthy blown up for overcarrying. Free correctly awarded. 31.
73:27: Darren Daly holds up Enda Varley. Free correctly awarded. 32.
Fuckin hell some lads around here have way too much time on their hands! :rolleyes:
Actual free count:
Mayo 32 Dublin 12
Correct decisions by Joe McQuillan:
37
Overall mistakes by Joe McQuillan:
23
Free count should have been:
Mayo 36 Dublin 13
Actual yellow cards given to Dublin players: 5
O’Gara
O’Carroll (wrongly awarded in my view)
Daly (wrongly awarded in my view)
McManamon
Brennan
Should have been given a yellow card - Dublin: 4
Andrews - late and deliberate slap to the chest of Kevin McLoughlin
O’Gara (before his actual yellow card) – cynical pull down on Colm Boyle
Brogan – neck high tackle on Aidan O’Shea and knocking the ball out of the hand, stopping a quick free
Rock - cynical pull back on Aidan O’Shea
Actual yellow cards given to Mayo players:
Keegan
Boyle (wrongly awarded in my view)
No Mayo player wrongly escaped a yellow card.
Frees Mayo were wrongly awarded: 6 (3 of which resulted in points)
08:04 Paul Flynn fouls Donal Vaughan at kickout – borderline, not fully covered by camera. Free given. 4
08:22 Jonny Cooper fouls Andy Moran – incorrect decision. 5
23:55 Paddy Andrews penalised for push on Keith Higgins – free awarded, borderline decision, certainly softish. 12.
41:10: Moran is crowded out by three Dublin players. All tackles look fair, and Moran probably overplays the ball. Free incorrectly awarded, perhaps to make up for what had happened a few seconds earlier. 15.
57:59: Rory O’Carroll gets a yellow card for a tackle on Enda Varley. This was a very marginal decision. On the live viewing it looked shoulder to shoulder, and it’s an honest attempt to tackle fairly, but O’Carroll does get very slightly above Varley’s shoulder and crashes into his head. Purely on a live viewing I would have called it as a wrong decision. But either decision would have been understandable. 21
65:57: Dean Rock fouls Colm Boyle. Free given, but looked soft and I would not have awarded it. 25.
Frees Dublin were wrongly awarded: 2 (0 of which resulted in points)
36:05: Andy Moran clearly fouled by Cian O’Sullivan and Rory O’Carroll – free incorrectly given to Dublin. 6.
70:43: Donal Vaughan fouled by Darren Daly (I think) in a scoring area 25m out. Philly McMahon is fouled by Colm Boyle and free to Dublin is given.12.
Frees Mayo should have been awarded: 9 (4 of which would have been point scoring oppurtunities)
[B]03:08 – Paddy Andrews late slap to the chest on Kevin McLoughlin – foul and probable yellow card but not given
26: 20: Eoghan O’Gara pulls back Tom Cunniffe and gathers possession before setting up Maichael Darragh McAuley for a goal chance. Not spotted by McQuillan.
35:16: Cian O’Sullivan takes 11 steps – free to Mayo should have been given but wasn’t.
36:05: Andy Moran clearly fouled by Cian O’Sullivan and Rory O’Carroll – free incorrectly given to Dublin. 6.
37:25 Bernard Brogan catches Keith Higgins around the neck in an attempt to tackle but a free is not given.
40: 46: James McCarthy leads with the elbow on Colm Boyle. Free not awarded. Probably not serious enough to warrant a yellow card, though. Advantage accrued to Mayo.
41:07: Paul Flynn trips Andy Moran just outside the penalty area. No free given.
47:00 Michael Conroy goes down under pressure from Jonny Cooper in a scoring area. Cooper and Rory O’Carroll both lay hands on his neck during the incident. Borderline free, but not given.
70:43: Donal Vaughan fouled by Darren Daly (I think) in a scoring area 25m out. Philly McMahon is fouled by Colm Boyle and a free to Dublin is given.12. [/B]
Frees Dublin should have been awarded: 3 (2 of which would have been point scoring oppurtunities)
[B]15:47: Chris Barrett closed hand tackle on Ciaran Kilkenny – foul not awarded, incorrect decision, Dublin got the goal seconds later so McQuillan’s incorrect decision in this case ended up benefitting them.
39:20: Chris Barrett leaves a boot in on Ciaran Kilkenny as he attempts to pick the ball up. Free should have been given but wasn’t.
69:51: Keith Higgins pulls Kevin McManamon’s jersey on the Cusack Stand side 35 metres out. Free not given.[/B]
Umpiring mistakes: 1 (which resulted in a point)
26:30 Dublin incorrectly awarded a 45 (which Stephen Cluxton pointed) when Michael Darragh McAuley’s shot was saved by Hennelly but rebounded off McAuley. Umpiring decision.
What should the final score have been, Sid?
In short Dublin are more cynical than Mayo and won the AI,all over for another year so find something else to keep waffling on about.
Fucking hell that’s some effort there Sid.
Serious sports anorak stuff but fucking fair play @Sidney* 
*Unless of course this is an elaborate ruse which no one will have the time to double check.
1 Dublin point should not have happened, 3 Mayo points should not have happened.
Mayo should have had 4 more point scoring oppurtunities from frees, Dublin should have had 2 more.
Overall, it evens out.
Eoghan O’Gara should have got 2 yellow cards, but given that his first offence which merited a yellow came when he was on a clean slate, he would likely not have then made the tackle which actually resulted in his yellow card. If he had still made the second tackle when on a yellow, obviously he would have gone.
Overall, what the analysis shows is that any notion that Dublin were hard done by by McQuillan is wrong and his mistakes evened out.
Dublin should certainly have got more yellow cards than they did.
My impression from watching the match back twice is that more injury time should have been added on in the second half.
This is a general complaint I would have that is common to most GAA matches however, not enough time is added at the end.
Would you not have given keegan a second yellow for the cynical jersey pull just before half time, sid? Also plenty of obstructions by mayo of dublin players immediately after they passed the ball in order to stop them creating a two on one. He didnt penalise this once.
Otherwise fair play sid. You had a great afternoon.
[quote=“Juhniallio, post: 836831, member: 53”]Would you not have given keegan a second yellow for the cynical jersey pull just before half time, sid? Also plenty of obstructions by mayo of dublin players immediately after they passed the ball in order to stop them creating a two on one. He didnt penalise this once.
Otherwise fair play sid. You had a great afternoon.[/quote]
Technically Keegan could have gone for that alright as it constituted further repitition of a foul he had already been booked for. That said, I think that foul was at the low end of the spectrum as Connolly was already almost stationary and also had his back to goal, so perhaps a final warning would have sufficed. Keegan was pushing his luck a bit though.
5.27 To hold an opponent with the hand(s).
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Free kick from where the foul occurred
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.
(ii) Caution offender for committing any of
the above fouls a second time. Order 80
off for a further repetition or for other
cautionable foul.
fair play @Sidney thats some effort.
there was one free though I cant say I noticed there. Only going on recollection of being there, but Brogan was going for a ball, and misjudged it, but McQuillan called for a push in the back, and Brogan pointed the resultant free. From where I was it looked very dubious. -
sorry, see you have it there alright. thought it was closer to half time than that.
Puts the lads on TSG to shame
[quote=“Gman, post: 836838, member: 112”]fair play @Sidney thats some effort.
there was one free though I cant say I noticed there. Only going on recollection of being there, but Brogan was going for a ball, and misjudged it, but McQuillan called for a push in the back, and Brogan pointed the resultant free. From where I was it looked very dubious.[/quote]
That’s the one at 56:08. On the live TV angle it looks dubious alright, but that was the only TV angle we saw. However I probably should have included it in the borderline category. I was too far away from it at the match to judge properly.
Would really need to see it from another angle to judge properly, and that’s not going to happen now. I gave McQuillan the benefit of the doubt as he was reasonably well positioned and seemed very certain in himself that it was a foul.
I did think Brogan got away with two or three decisions purely because of who he was. He should certainly have been yellow carded for pulling down and then obstructing Aidan O’Shea after 65 minutes.
[quote=“Sidney, post: 836842, member: 183”]That’s the one at 56:08. On the live TV angle it looks dubious alright, but that was the only TV angle we saw. However I probably should have included it in the borderline category. I was too far away from it at the match to judge properly.
Would really need to see it from another angle to judge properly, and that’s not going to happen now. I gave McQuillan the benefit of the doubt as he was reasonably well positioned and seemed very certain in himself that it was a foul.
I did think Brogan got away with two or three decisions purely because of who he was. He should certainly have been yellow carded for pulling down and then obstructing Aidan O’Shea after 65 minutes.[/quote]
yeah I was pretty much in line with that one and I didnt think it was a free at all. The Dublin guy beside me, and his mates were laughing at it saying how they’ll take that one. to me, it looked like Brogan misjudged it and gave up on it.
For not being able to stay with pace of game is not his fault to a degree ( he is in decent shape). What is his fault is his total inconsistency.
I know it’s hard for you, but try and read things correctly.