English Football and Racism

We had the inaccurate allegations and conviction of Suarez last year, which led to a few idiots showing their true colours but really blew this whole issue up. Then we had Terry, Clattenburg and last night a Chelsea fan making monkey gestures at Wellbeck. Where is it all going to end?

Having gone to a few games over the only time I heard racial slurs was from some Northern Ireland gimp-

Is England as bad as Italy or the Balkans, or is it a few idiots at play? I wait for John Barnes to speak before making my mind up.

I think it just highlights the stupidity of a lot of English and South American soccer players and soccer fans. I hope that lad is one of those well respected lads with a good job who thinks he can do what he likes when he goes to a soccer match-imagine explaining that picture to your colleagues. :lol:

Its all Suarez’s fault.

Why so, negrito?

He knows why.

Ironic that the Daily Mail would carry a report about a racist incident.

no, no its not.
its just that in these places people dont moan about it as much as in the UK and ireland
the stuff last year with evra / suarez and terry / ferdinand was pathetic,
if evra had any balls who would have ended suarez’s career on the next ball roy keane esque on alfe inge haaland, similar with ferdinand and terry, crying about it after the event is pathetic, you need to deal with this shit head on

i have heard racism in every single football ground i have been in, including the LOI and NI, but usually the perpretrator is told shut the fuck up by those around him unless its a catholic - protestant thing that is more sectarian but actually even more retarded really as most cunts havent a clue about the difference and if they did they wouldnt be shouting about it

the worst of them all is Greece, serbia, croatia and Israel
 i have never been at a game in russia or italy now BTW, you just ignore it to be honest or if you want to act the yob get involved, i think personally its disgusting.

the other night beitar jerusalem were playing hapoel tel aviv in teddy, the raciscm directed at eric djemba djemb and john pantsil was extraordinary from the crowd around me but not as bad as at saleem toama who is arab, anyway toto tamuz a black lad scored for hapoel and ran to the crowd with hands on ears
 the game was stopped as a riot almost ensued and he was sent off, on the way to the tunnel he kicked the ball into the crowd, thats it really, it happens, i think its ridiculous but its just a fact of life at this stage and i just choose to ignore it really its so prevalent

a clare hurling fan called sean og o hailpin a " black bastard" during the first half of the 2005 all ireland hurling semi final on hill 16, he apologised to us at HT

It’s a very serious problem in England. Their U21 national team was at it too over in Serbia recently.

the serb police acted accordingly as well, the behaviour out if yer man Ince was meant to have really upset the local fans some of whom i belive were members of Arkan ( RIP)'s famous Tigers organisation

I’d certainly agree with this. If John Terry had written in his programme notes that he was advocating a racially segragated society and the extermination of all non-whites the outcry would have been on about the same par as it was. Stupid bloody stuff. An elbow in the face at the next corner kick, take your red card and forget about it.

I saw a black fella eating a banana one day. It was hilarious, he dropped the skin on the floor and then fell over trying to pick it up.

Is this a much larger problem with men then, or manhood, in that we are being emasculated and becoming more feminine in that problems now need to be bitched and moaned about instead of settled there and then. How has this been allowed to creep into society? Was Tyler Durden right, are we a generation of men raised by women ?

Looks like John Terry hasn’t learnt his lesson


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The likes of Evra and Ferdinand are far too sensitive. For the last 3 years, whilst playing for TFK AFC, I have been called “Monkey” by team mates, opponents and refs.

Sure I’ve made a formal complaint to the league about it, but I haven’t gone running to the media. I just tough it out every week and try to do my talking with my feet.

So Stevie Me is a racist according to Diouf.

El-Hadji Diouf has accused Steven Gerrard of racism.

Diouf claims that he warned Mario Balotelli against joining Liverpool as Gerrard ‘never liked black people.’

“We all saw how he made life difficult for Mario Balotelli at Liverpool. I warned him. Liverpool isn’t a team that accepts black people unless they are English,” Diouf told Portuguese radio station Radio Future MĂ©dia.

“It’s common knowledge. Gerrard has never liked black people. When I was at Liverpool, I showed him I was black, that I wasn’t English, but that I’m no pushover. All the time I was there, he never dared looked me in the eye.”

The one-time Liverpool striker was responding to Gerrard’s criticism of him in his autobiography, in which the LA Galaxy player said: “I don’t really want to waste time thinking about El Hadji Diouf but it’s worth highlighting his wasted seasons at Liverpool as an example of how it can all go wrong."

“Gerard Houllier, a very good manager and a usually wise judge of character, signed Diouf in the summer of 2002. Gerard bought Diouf for £10m from Lens - solely on the recommendation of his former assistant, Patrice Bergues, who had coached Diouf there.

“I understood why Gerard rushed through the signing, but he did not really know Diouf as a person. He was one of three new signings which were meant to turn Liverpool into Premier League champions.

It seemed to me that Diouf had no real interest in football and that he cared nothing about Liverpool. For example, the way he spat a huge globule of gunky phlegm at a Celtic fan in a UEFA Cup match at Parkhead in March 2003 summed up his contemptuous and spiteful demeanour.

“A few people have since asked me if I saw any comparison between Diouf and Mario Balotelli - and I’ve always said no. I’ve got respect for Balotelli; I’ve got none for Diouf."

Three former youth-team footballers at Chelsea have launched legal claims against the club after allegations that black players were subjected to horrific racism by their own coaches, including physical attacks and one instance when Graham Rix allegedly threw a cup of hot coffee in the face of one of their young prospects.

Rix, then the youth-team coach, is named along with Gwyn Williams, a prominent figure at Stamford Bridge for more than 25 years, in a case that contains such serious allegations Chelsea felt compelled to notify the Football Association and the police were brought in. The police decided after a seven-month investigation there was insufficient evidence to take any action but Chelsea have launched their own inquiry and the FA’s safeguarding team has so far interviewed two of the players. Chelsea have also offered in-house counselling to at least one of the players.

Rix and Williams have declined to comment after the Guardian informed them of the allegations but Chelsea have released a statement about a civil claim that was instigated in a letter to the club last February and, until now, has never been reported. “We take allegations of this nature extremely seriously,” Chelsea’s statement said. “We are absolutely determined to do the right thing, to fully support those affected, assist the authorities and support their investigations.”

Rix and Williams were key members of the backroom staff at a time when Glenn Hoddle, Ruud Gullit and Gianluca Vialli put in place a pre-Abramovich transformation to re-establish Chelsea as one of the more glamorous clubs in the country during the 1990s. Behind the scenes, however, evidence submitted to the FA and seen by the Guardian describes it as a “feral environment” for some of the black players in the youth team, one allegation being that they were treated “like a race of fucking dogs”.

In one incident, Chelsea played a youth-team fixture in Spain and Rix is said to have humiliated one of the black outfield players by substituting him with the reserve goalkeeper. As the player was showering afterwards, it is alleged Rix shouted “that if his heart was as big as his cock, he would be a great player that ran more”. According to the evidence seen by Chelsea and the FA, Rix followed it up by saying the player should have been “the only person in the whole stadium to be able to enjoy the 40-degree heat” on the basis that “blacks were always winning the long-distance Olympic events in the heat, if they weren’t chucking spears”.

Other allegations include that Rix or Williams called him a “darkie”, a “nignog”, a “black bastard”, a “wog”, “midnight”, “jigaboo” and various other insults. The player also alleges he was told by Williams to “fuck off back to Africa” and “sell drugs or rob old grannies”. Williams is not accused of any physical assaults but would allegedly punish the player by telling him to “go and clean my office, Richard Pryor – shine my shoes like a good wog” or “pick up your lip, it’s dragging on the floor”.

When the player left Chelsea for another team his new manager has said he wondered why a talented young footballer from one of England’s top clubs appeared to have been “stripped of his self-confidence”. That manager has submitted a written report that now forms part of the legal claim and says the player was “a good professional who always had a beaming smile but I always felt behind that smile was a person who clearly had his confidence knocked out of him at Chelsea. Whoever was responsible for that, I don’t know. He never gave me a problem. He was always on time and always gave his all.”

Now in his late-30s, the player is hoping others will come forward, describing himself as having “the weight of the world on my shoulders at 16” and saying the distressing effects have continued to affect him in his adult life. Every day, he says, he would walk to Chelsea’s training ground “thinking: ‘Oh my God, I can’t wait for this day to be over’ 
 I was so low. Even dragging this up now, it really affects me”.

Williams, 68, joined Chelsea in 1979 and was so close to Ken Bates that he later followed him to Leeds United as technical director. His period at Chelsea also included a spell as assistant manager to Claudio Ranieri and he was involved in the scouting department for JosĂ© Mourinho before leaving the club in 2006. Williams, who is credited with discovering John Terry, has been accused in the past of making homophobic comments to Graeme Le Saux, the former Chelsea defender. “He would wander up to me before training and say: ‘Come on, poof, get your boots on,’” Le Saux wrote in his 2007 autobiography. Williams was dismissed by Leeds for gross misconduct in 2013 after emailing pornographic images of women to a number of colleagues, including a female receptionist.

Rix, 60, also has a chequered past after admitting, in March 1999, two charges of unlawful sex with a 15-year-old girl and indecent assault and being sentenced to 12 months in prison – serving six of them – as well as being put on the sex offenders’ register for 10 years. He was reinstated by Chelsea immediately after his release from Wandsworth prison and was the first-team coach when Vialli’s team won the FA Cup in 2000. Rix had previously been the assistant manager to Gullit and had a brief spell as caretaker manager after Vialli’s departure. After that, he managed Portsmouth, Oxford United and Hearts, as well as coaching at the Glenn Hoddle Academy in Spain and having a brief spell as manager of a club in Trinidad. His last managerial job in England was at AFC Portchester of the Wessex League Premier Division but he left the club last August.

Rix and his solicitor have not replied to a question from this newspaper about whether the FA temporarily suspended him after the allegations surfaced. The FA, asked the same question, has refused to comment and Paul Kelly, Portchester’s chairman, was due to speak to the Guardian before changing his mind after consulting the governing body. He had previously said the club was aware of the allegations and had followed all the procedures and guidelines set out by the FA.

The allegations from the player are also that Williams seemed to target him by “flicking my scrotum, flicking my penis, patting my bum” when he was still a minor. There is no suggestion Williams was getting sexual gratification but it was deemed serious enough to form part of the questioning when David Gregson, the FA’s safeguarding team leader, and Stefania Sacco, the safeguarding investigation manager, interviewed the player at Wembley on 23 October. Williams has been informed by the Guardian of the allegation but his solicitor, Eddie Johns, who also represents Rix, said neither of his clients would comment.

The player says he tried to ring Graham Kelly, the chief executive of the FA, years later to talk to him about what had allegedly happened but says he was not even put through. “The FA have failed me in the way of not protecting me as a minor,” he says. “I was failed in terms of there not being enough parameters for protection.”

Williams with Ruud Gullit, the then Chelsea manager, in 1997. ‘Ruud Gullit didn’t even know what was going on,’ one player said in an interview with the FA. Photograph: Popperfoto/Getty Images
According to that player’s account, seen by the Guardian, the racist abuse at Chelsea started after joining the club on schoolboy terms. “Even at 12, 13, the vernacular he [Williams] was using was: ‘You little black bastard, you coon, you little wog, how are you doing?’ I was a minor, I’d never heard those words being said to someone [in football]. He addressed me like that every time he saw me. He’d walk in [the dressing room] and go: ‘Hey, look at the fucking blackies here then. Fucking rubber lips. Look at their fucking big noses. You black bastard. Been fucking robbing cars, have you?’ Let me tell you something – that is the most demoralising feeling you could ever have.”

In his interview with the FA’s safeguarding officials, the player adds: “I knew it was unacceptable but I was a minor. When you’re in that position, where this guy is a powerful guy at the club 
 I didn’t know how to handle it. I thought it would stop. I just didn’t know how to handle it and it was constant 
 the racial slurs of ‘coon’, ‘wog’, ‘monkey’ 
 ‘smoking wacky-backy’, which is marijuana, or ‘black bastard’, ‘fucking black bastard’, ‘mango-muncher’, ‘nigger’.

“Gwyn Williams has been at the club since 1979. He was powerful. He was Ken Bates’s mate. The guy [Williams] is a walking piece of dirt but he had power. It was said he had the biggest black book in London – he knew everyone. That guy was the governor. No matter what role he had, that man had power.”

When the player, then 15, was offered YTS terms Rix was youth-team manager, with Williams in the role of youth development officer. Hoddle, who had been the manager, left Chelsea to take the England job and Gullit took over at Stamford Bridge. “The amount of times I wanted to say something to Ruud Gullit,” the player says in his FA interview. “But Ruud Gullit didn’t even know what was going on. They didn’t do these things in front of Ruud.”

The player goes on to state in the same interview that when he asked Rix to stop “digging me out” he was struck on the back of the head and, later in a training session, kicked twice while sitting on the floor. Rix, he says, was singing the Billy Ocean song When the Going Gets Tough as the alleged assault took place.

In another training game, Rix joined in and, according to the player, hurled the ball into his face from a throw-in, leaving him on the floor with a bleeding nose.

The same player is said to have decided to stand up to Rix when, according to the evidence, the coach asked him whether he had “tried to fuck any of our white girls” at the weekend. In the ensuing argument, Rix allegedly threw a cup of coffee in his face. “It burned my face,” the player says. “I went to grab him. I wanted to kill this guy. Then I had to think 
 black boy, six foot whatever, hits a white coach – he’s out of football. So I had to hold myself in and I went in to put water on my face because it was burning.”

In a follow-up legal letter to Chelsea, another alleged incident refers to the teenager asking Rix to stop making his sister feeling uncomfortable by making what were, in the player’s view, suggestive remarks. Rix allegedly went red with anger and replied: “I will do whatever I want and if I fancy a bit of black I guarantee her black arse will get it,” and then punched him in the scrotum. “Our client fell to the floor in excruciating pain and Rix walked off laughing while looking over his shoulder.”

The Guardian has offered Rix and Williams the opportunity since Tuesday to respond but they have repeatedly said through their solicitor they do not want to comment.

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If you tolerate Rix then your children will be next.

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Hard to believe a club like Chelsea could be caught up in naked racism.