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Jordan wants Old Firm to pay up
Proposal expected for Celtic and Rangers to join English league
Last updated: 20th April 2009

Jordan: In support of proposal

They should not have a God given right to walk into English football and displace two other teams and there should be a renumeration level set. I’d suggest 100m and the immediate financial benefits that arise for both clubs would soon cover it.
Crystal Palace chairman Simon Jordan believes Celtic and Rangers should pay 100million if they want to play in English football.

Reports claim Bolton Wanderers chairman Phil Gartside will put forward a groundbreaking proposal to fellow Premier League clubs on Thursday.

Gartside has plans for a Premiership 1 and 2, with 18 teams in each division and Old Firm duo Celtic and Rangers offered a place in the second tier.

Jordan is in support of Gartside’s reported proposal and believes the Scottish giants playing in the English league would benefit the British game.

However, the Palace chief feels the SPL title rivals should pay an entry fee to the league, with the outlay to be recouped by money from television deals.

Evolving
“Football is evolving all the time and this would be great for the Scottish clubs, but they should pay to come down,” Jordan told the Daily Record.

"They should not have a God given right to walk into English football and displace two other teams and there should be a renumeration level set.

"I’d suggest 100m and the immediate financial benefits that arise for both clubs would soon cover it.

"Their share price would go through the ceiling on the back of massive revenue increases. The SPL does not attract a worldwide audience - the Premiership does.

"It would be a great thing for Celtic and Rangers, but the Old Firm would not add enormously to the levels of interest in a league that’s already massively exposed.

"A lot of people will object to the idea, but I’m not one of them. It would be good for British football.

“I wouldn’t be surprised to see it happen, but it’s still a long way off as no deals can be done until the next round of talks with broadcasters, scheduled for 2013.”

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The likes of Rangers and Celtic could do with this badly, scottish football and its revenue streams are just not enough for them to sustain a decent level and compete in europe in the medium to long term…Rangers are in severe finacial dificulties i believe

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In Rangers case the 100m could be be regarded as a good behaviour bond on behalf of their fans.

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The OF need the Premiership more than it needs them, but I can’t see it happening anytime soon. They should stay in their own league in their own country, end of.

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what are the differences in revenue streams between Celtic & FC Porto? they are more successful than the likes of arsenal & chelsea over recent years- i doubt if thye make much more money than celtic

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Seems like a decent enough suggestion.

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Tough titty. Football isn’t, or at least shouldn’t be, all about “revenue streams”.

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i concur, would hate to see them in the EPL-

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I never said it was, but the fact of the matter is that the SPL is a beaten docket at this stage and both the old fim are regressing at the moment, a shake up is needed…

In saying that, what exactly would happen the rest of the SPL if Glasgow Celtic and Rangers pulled out, presume they would be the biggest gate of the year for the other clubs

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[quote=“The Puke”]I never said it was, but the fact of the matter is that the SPL is a beaten docket at this stage and both the old fim are regressing at the moment, a shake up is needed…

In saying that, what exactly would happen the rest of the SPL if Glasgow Celtic and Rangers pulled out, presume they would be the biggest gate of the year for the other clubs[/QUOTE]

im not sure if the SPL is a beaten docket - crowd wise the Scotland has the highest attendances per capita in europe, rangers & celtic have both been in euro finals in recent years, Celtic got into the last 16 in the champions league - compared to the EPL its a beaten docket but compared to french or dutch football it isnt too bad

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Yeah I think it’s in the shadow of the EPL alright but it has an awful lot going for it, way ahead of most leagues in Europe.

What I do think could be considered is something like the North Atlantic League proposal. Not instead of the SPL but as well.

So run off the SPL like they do at the moment up as far as the split. Then the top 3 clubs from Scotland, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Portugal etc go into a tournament for the last 5 or 6 weeks. No problem selling that internationally and it gets great European experience for the players and clubs retain their domestic entry into European competition. SPL are happy because they get to keep Celtic and Rangers and you can create a second tier tournament. In fact the bottom 6 in the SPL can still run off another 5 matches if they want for a 38 game league so they keep their revenue.

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Rocko/NCC et al

What would happen to the SPL if the old firm did pull out, would the other clubs lose much in terms of revenue and profile etc, presume UEFA wouuldn’t be too pleased about it

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[quote=“The Puke”]Rocko/NCC et al

What would happen to the SPL if the old firm did pull out, would the other clubs lose much in terms of revenue and profile etc, presume UEFA wouuldn’t be too pleased about it[/QUOTE]

Is there a possibility it could actually improve interest and therefore financial strenght among the other clubs as they would all have a chance of winning things for the first time in years? Their attendances might rise as all there games would mean so much more?

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I doubt that would happen. The SPL clubs aren’t in a bad state but they’re not brilliabnt. Kilmarnock aren’t as good as Vitesse Arnhem for example and you wouldn’t have AZ breaking through in Scotland because of the gulf in class but much of that is down to a lack of Scottish talent at the moment. Back in the 80s Scottish football was far more competitive.

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Hearts could well have made the breakthrough a few years ago if their chairman wasn’t such a fucking spastic

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Things should stay as they are. All these hairbrained, money-led plans will on’y damage football.

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[quote=“therock67”]Yeah I think it’s in the shadow of the EPL alright but it has an awful lot going for it, way ahead of most leagues in Europe.

What I do think could be considered is something like the North Atlantic League proposal. Not instead of the SPL but as well.

So run off the SPL like they do at the moment up as far as the split. Then the top 3 clubs from Scotland, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Portugal etc go into a tournament for the last 5 or 6 weeks. No problem selling that internationally and it gets great European experience for the players and clubs retain their domestic entry into European competition. SPL are happy because they get to keep Celtic and Rangers and you can create a second tier tournament. In fact the bottom 6 in the SPL can still run off another 5 matches if they want for a 38 game league so they keep their revenue.[/QUOTE]

How would this work Rock? The winner of the Spl is the team leading before the split? Then all the games afterwards are pants for spl’ers not involved in the relegation battle. Or they take some sort of merit points into the northatlantic mini-leagues, which means someone like AZ would be miles ahead inthe min-leagues and have an unfair advantage. This problem will exist in all leagues involved. Good for Old firm and experience alright but shit for hibs, hearts, dundee Utd etc.

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Kevin Pullein has a nice short piece about Van Gaal and AZ in today’s bible.

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Yeah the SPL winners would be whoever is leading after the 33 games. It’s as equitable as it is now.

So the league currently splits into a top 6 and a bottom 6. The bottom 6 already go into a separate tournament for relegation so let them continue with that.

You then get the following:

Top 3 in SPL:
Celtic
Huns
Mini Huns
join
Top 2 in Belgium
say Anderlecht and Brugges
and top 4 in Netherlands
AZ, Ajax, Feyernoord, PSV
and top 3 in Portugal
say Porto, Sporting, Benfica,
etc.

Then you have another league with
Hibs
Aberdeen
Motherwell

going up against

Vitesse Arnhem
Boavista
Braga
etc. etc.

And you have two tournaments.

Top tournament would be presitigious and well worth winning.
Second tournament would be well worth getting into and would probably attract decent attendances as well as a bit more European exposure for the clubs.

It gives everyone something big to play for, with big differences involved in the SPL between finishing 3rd and finishing 4th but the fact that there’s still a tournament for 4th to 6th gives them incentive too.

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Thats innovative Rocko, is it your own idea or something you saw floated around elsewhere.