Yep thatâs the way it is in the country, you cant get help till after something happens. A lot of folks in this country are living in fear in their own homes of what a family member or someone they are sharing with could do to them when the breakdown happens. Seen it on the wifeâs side of the family and it is heartbreaking seeing the family trying to get help but getting brushed off because the person suffering the break down doesnât see or doesnât want to get help and it is only after something happens that interest is taken in the person.
[QUOTE=âTheUlteriorMotive, post: 1097292, member: 2272â]To my mind the behaviour to date would not justify admission = some visits and ranting and raving about a perceived slight and then some odd rambling text messages which I have seen talking about visions and dreams and other people dying within a year and philosophical nonsense
Relationship between them is son-in-law and mother-in-law and up until week or two ago there was normal politeness/decorum/etiquette anybody has for a mother in law so itâs a quite sudden breakdown of what I would see as normal social etiquette/behaviour but no more than that. Good chance it wonât escalate beyond that but are there any obvious warning signs of violence[/QUOTE]
Was there a pass made or some sort of unknown relationship going on and someone got burned?
May seem mad, but it has the hallmarks of that.
Or more likely is there was an insecurity nerve hit and there is issues in the son-in-laws and daughters relationship that the mother either knowingly or not hit.
If no history of mental illness itâs more likely something fairly explainable, and more likely to be the younger couples relationship than anything.
[QUOTE=âcaoimhaoin, post: 1097902, member: 273â]Was there a pass made or some sort of unknown relationship going on and someone got burned?
May seem mad, but it has the hallmarks of that.
Or more likely is there was an insecurity nerve hit and there is issues in the son-in-laws and daughters relationship that the mother either knowingly or not hit.
If no history of mental illness itâs more likely something fairly explainable, and more likely to be the younger couples relationship than anything.[/QUOTE]
No relationship or pass. A small disagreement over a business issue which was illogical from his side but nothing that would lead to that kind of a dispute/breakdown in normal course of events
I donât know all the details of conversations but the pace of the breakdown was what surprised me from somebody who seemed to be functioning to a psychotic episode with no previous mental health issues that I know about.
[QUOTE=âTheUlteriorMotive, post: 1097887, member: 2272â]my man sounds bipolar but weâll see - maybe he always was a bit - grandiosity, lack of empathy, reckless, then extreme exercising
anyway seems he trapped his kids in the car this morning on school run, eventually was talked out by a priest and ran into school and start talking to the devil
Is he goosed or is there anyway back from that. Do people recover from that sort of a breakdown?[/QUOTE]
he is definitely demonstrating a type of paranoid psychosis there, talking to the devil is schizophrenic anyway
there is a way back from it, the reckless behaviour would indiacte a borderline personality which however is rarely a trait in a paranoid schizophrenic
paranoid schizophrenia is a horrendous illness as folk begin having imaginary delusions (eg the devil ) and then the paranoia ( kids locked in the car), schizophrenia is not multiple personalities as is sometimes thought of, its imagining scenarios and people and allowing them to control the mind.
what will happen here is he will be sedated for a few days and then placed on some anti psychotoc med ( zyprexin maybe)âŚ
in mental hospitals in Ireland these illnesses are treated as science with drugs given to alter brain chemistry, there will be very little counselling or therapy to try to understand the root cause. in 3 weeks time heâll be left go home on meds.,âŚanything is possible then
[QUOTE=âmickee321, post: 1097925, member: 367â]he is definitely demonstrating a type of paranoid psychosis there, talking to the devil is schizophrenic anyway
there is a way back from it, the reckless behaviour would indiacte a borderline personality which however is rarely a trait in a paranoid schizophrenic
paranoid schizophrenia is a horrendous illness as folk begin having imaginary delusions (eg the devil ) and then the paranoia ( kids locked in the car), schizophrenia is not multiple personalities as is sometimes thought of, its imagining scenarios and people and allowing them to control the mind.
what will happen here is he will be sedated for a few days and then placed on some anti psychotoc med ( zyprexin maybe)âŚ
in mental hospitals in Ireland these illnesses are treated as science with drugs given to alter brain chemistry, there will be very little counselling or therapy to try to understand the root cause. in 3 weeks time heâll be left go home on meds.,âŚanything is possible then[/QUOTE]
is he likely to be dangerous on release?
he has shotguns in the house so I am guessing they need to be removed
the tricky piece will be when he is released and where does he/the kids and wife live
the wife is going to have to do a risk assessment with the doctors and decide I suppose but there are no guarantees
the tricky piece will be when he is released and where does he/the kids and wife live
the wife is going to have to do a risk assessment with the doctors and decide I suppose but there are no guarantees[/QUOTE]
yeah look, that will all be factored in to the tribunal in 3 weeks timeâŚ
the sad sitiation like in cobh was that the family actaully appealed to the court to have the husband allowed to live with them hoping he would get better⌠its a fucking terrible state of affairs this
[QUOTE=âcaoimhaoin, post: 1097902, member: 273â]Was there a pass made or some sort of unknown relationship going on and someone got burned?
May seem mad, but it has the hallmarks of that.
Or more likely is there was an insecurity nerve hit and there is issues in the son-in-laws and daughters relationship that the mother either knowingly or not hit.
If no history of mental illness itâs more likely something fairly explainable, and more likely to be the younger couples relationship than anything.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=âfarmerinthecity, post: 1097945, member: 24â]That is unbelievable.
Surely there is some sort of negligence there on behalf on John of Gods? The primary duty of those places is to keep their patients safe.[/QUOTE]
Its difficult to prove it as the contents of the discussion between him and the doctor / counsellor are private so no-one other than them know exactly what was discussed. For all we knew he played them and told them everything they wanted to hear knowing he could saunter out. Thereâs a whole of issues throughout the whole process but even if they didnât happen I donât think the end result would have changed. Sounds simple but when someones mind is made up, its made up. All we can do is be thankful he didnât do anything worse to anyone else along the way which is a very weird thing to be thankful for!
I know of someone locally here who is bipolar who disappeared off with the kids in the car one afternoon without warning. The car was spotted at the end of the pier in Courtown with yer man and 2 kids in it and then not spotted again for a few hours. Obvious mild panic followed late into the night until they all returned home acting as if nothing had happened and the kids none the wiser what had just happened. I donât know the full details but apparently there was a voicemail left on the wifes phone around the time the car was at the end of the pier and then his phone was unreachable until he returned home.
[QUOTE=âTheUlteriorMotive, post: 1097861, member: 2272â]He was admitted today after an episode in public - cops called and off to hospital.
Never really been up close and personal to something like this before but the deterioration was really sudden.[/QUOTE]
Best outcome all round, TUM. He will get the help he needs while those close to him will feel much safer. There was a family friend who was convinced he was talking to the devil. He was admitted, received the help he needed and is a happy functioning person again. Have seen kids in a very bad place with the same outcome.
the tricky piece will be when he is released and where does he/the kids and wife live
the wife is going to have to do a risk assessment with the doctors and decide I suppose but there are no guarantees[/QUOTE]
But this is what the treatment is for. It is very sad and it can be quite dramatic as it seems in this case, but many of the professionals will tell you itâs a form of treatment like any other, a broken leg, cancer etc. it takes patience and time and you are never sure it wonât happen again or come back, but you hope you did your best to lessen the chances.
[QUOTE=âmickee321, post: 1097925, member: 367â]he is definitely demonstrating a type of paranoid psychosis there, talking to the devil is schizophrenic anyway
there is a way back from it, the reckless behaviour would indiacte a borderline personality which however is rarely a trait in a paranoid schizophrenic
paranoid schizophrenia is a horrendous illness as folk begin having imaginary delusions (eg the devil ) and then the paranoia ( kids locked in the car), schizophrenia is not multiple personalities as is sometimes thought of, its imagining scenarios and people and allowing them to control the mind.
what will happen here is he will be sedated for a few days and then placed on some anti psychotoc med ( zyprexin maybe)âŚ
in mental hospitals in Ireland these illnesses are treated as science with drugs given to alter brain chemistry, there will be very little counselling or therapy to try to understand the root cause. in 3 weeks time heâll be left go home on meds.,âŚanything is possible then[/QUOTE]
