Euro 2016 - The Draw

[Sidney]

@Julio_Geordio

The four best-placed teams are:WA plays WB plays WC plays WD playsA B C D 3C 3D 3A 3BA B C E 3C 3A 3B 3EA B C F 3C 3A 3B 3FA B D E 3D 3A 3B 3EA B D F 3D 3A 3B 3FA B E F 3E 3A 3B 3FA C D E 3C 3D 3A 3EA C D F 3C 3D 3A 3FA C E F 3C 3A 3F 3EA D E F 3D 3A 3F 3EB C D E 3C 3D 3B 3EB C D F 3C 3D 3B 3FB C E F 3E 3C 3B 3FB D E F 3E 3D 3B 3FC D E F 3C 3D 3F 3E

Thanks for clearing up the confusion.

[myboyblue]

@Sidney

@Julio_Geordio

The four best-placed teams are:WA plays WB plays WC plays WD playsA B C D 3C 3D 3A 3BA B C E 3C 3A 3B 3EA B C F 3C 3A 3B 3FA B D E 3D 3A 3B 3EA B D F 3D 3A 3B 3FA B E F 3E 3A 3B 3FA C D E 3C 3D 3A 3EA C D F 3C 3D 3A 3FA C E F 3C 3A 3F 3EA D E F 3D 3A 3F 3EB C D E 3C 3D 3B 3EB C D F 3C 3D 3B 3FB C E F 3E 3C 3B 3FB D E F 3E 3D 3B 3FC D E F 3C 3D 3F 3E

Thanks for clearing up the confusion.

[myboyblue]

@Julio_Geordio

@Julio_Geordio

@myboyblue

Lads can someone explain to me how the 3rd place play offs will be chosen for the last 16. For example, this is how they are listed for the last 16

If I was trying to predict who would come out 3rd place and into what last 16 game they will go, where on earth do I begin? This Grounp A/C/D-B/E/F-C/D/E-A/B/F has me thoroughly flummoxed.

It’s unbelievably convoluted.

The table below shows the different options for the round of 16 pairings, depending on which third-placed teams qualify from the final tournament group matches. For example, if the teams finishing third in groups A, B, C and D qualify, the pairings will be WA v 3C, WB v 3D, WC v 3A and WD v 3B.
The four best-placed teams are:
WA plays WB plays WC plays WD plays
A B C D 3C 3D 3A 3B
A B C E 3C 3A 3B 3E
A B C F 3C 3A 3B 3F
A B D E 3D 3A 3B 3E
A B D F 3D 3A 3B 3F
A B E F 3E 3A 3B 3F
A C D E 3C 3D 3A 3E
A C D F 3C 3D 3A 3F
A C E F 3C 3A 3F 3E
A D E F 3D 3A 3F 3E
B C D E 3C 3D 3B 3E
B C D F 3C 3D 3B 3F
B C E F 3E 3C 3B 3F
B D E F 3E 3D 3B 3F
C D E F 3C 3D 3F 3E

Basically they’ve pre decided who meet’s who, how I’ve no idea but if you think for example that the best runners up will come from A,B,C & D, then winner A plays 3rd in C, winner B plays 3rd in D, winner C plays 3rd A, winner D plays 3rd B.

It’s constructed to avoid teams meeting twice for as long as possible.
I’ve tickets for the last 16 if Ireland get there and from what I can tell there is almost no chance of knowing who or where they’ll be playing until practically all games are played.

Ah jaysus. And I thought the original one I put up was confusing,.

[Julio_Geordio]

@Sidney

@Julio_Geordio

The four best-placed teams are:WA plays WB plays WC plays WD playsA B C D 3C 3D 3A 3BA B C E 3C 3A 3B 3EA B C F 3C 3A 3B 3FA B D E 3D 3A 3B 3EA B D F 3D 3A 3B 3FA B E F 3E 3A 3B 3FA C D E 3C 3D 3A 3EA C D F 3C 3D 3A 3FA C E F 3C 3A 3F 3EA D E F 3D 3A 3F 3EB C D E 3C 3D 3B 3EB C D F 3C 3D 3B 3FB C E F 3E 3C 3B 3FB D E F 3E 3D 3B 3FC D E F 3C 3D 3F 3E

Thanks for clearing up the confusion.

Here you go mate a bit easier on the brain

[Sidney]

[Julio_Geordio]

@Sidney

If you can’t follow the cleaned up table then there’s no hope for you

[Phil_Leotardo]

That is fuckin mental. It should make the final round of group games interesting for a whole heap of nationalities you’d think. Was this all part of Platini’s plan to maximise tv ratings I wonder!
Am I right in saying that if we finish 3rd, we may have to wait until the next night to cheer on some other country that would help us get into the 2nd round by beating another potential 3rd placed team?

Edit: I have just looked up the fixtures and our group is the final 2 group fixtures to be played. Avoid 2 defeats and surely we’ll have something to play for? Even a draw against Sweden and a loss to Belgium might mean there’d be a chance to get through so long as we beat Italy?

[Julio_Geordio]

@Phil_Leotardo

That is fuckin mental. It should make the final round of group games interesting for a whole heap of nationalities you’d think. Was this all part of Platini’s plan to maximise tv ratings I wonder!
Am I right in saying that if we finish 3rd, we may have to wait until the next night to cheer on some other country that would help us get into the 2nd round by beating another potential 3rd placed team?

Edit: I have just looked up the fixtures and our group is the final 2 group fixtures to be played. Avoid 2 defeats and surely we’ll have something to play for? Even a draw against Sweden and a loss to Belgium might mean there’d be a chance to get through so long as we beat Italy?

A draw against Sweden would keep us in the hunt until the last game I’d imagine.

[Rocko]

@Phil_Leotardo

Edit: I have just looked up the fixtures and our group is the final 2 group fixtures to be played. Avoid 2 defeats and surely we’ll have something to play for? Even a draw against Sweden and a loss to Belgium might mean there’d be a chance?

Yep, that’s one of the advantages in being in our group. There are downsides for the group winners (in not getting to play a 3rd choice team) but that won’t really bother us.

[Julio_Geordio]

@Rocko

Yep, that’s one of the advantages in being in our group. There are downsides for the group winners (in not getting to play a 3rd choice team) but that won’t really bother us.

We are in the worst group possible when it comes to opposition for last 16.
Winners play runners up of group D, where as in other groups as you said they play the 3rd place teams. This also applies to group F.

However the runners up in group F get to play runners up in Group B, where as the runners up in our group play the winners in group F. Only the runners up of E & D have to meet winners of groups, all other group runners up meet other group runners up.

So our group has the worst possible outcome draw wise in terms of progression.

If we win the group:
Hard to pick the runners up in group D, Croatia perhaps(second to Spain), not that this is likely to concern us.
If we come second
Likely winners of Group F would be Portugal you’d imagine though you wouldn’t rule out Austria as Portugal, Ronaldo aside aren’t too special.
If we come third:
It’s either the winner of group A (probably France) or the winner of group D (probably Spain)

Third place obviously put’s you in the worst possible draw, but there isn’t too much between the likely opponents for 1st & 2nd IMO.

[Rocko]

Fair enough. But I think we’re most likely to come third and will always get a group winner if we come third and I think we have a better chance of qualifying in third because we play last. But it’s all very marginal.

[Julio_Geordio]

@Rocko

But I think we’re most likely to come third

Ah ya absolutely but the Belgians/Italians are getting a raw deal.

As an aside I did a predictor thing there and I predicted a Spain/Germany Final with a Spanish win. Austria were the surprise package of the tournament making the semis, knocking out England in the quarters.

A very satisfying spreadsheet here to allow others do the same
http://www.excely.com/download/uefa_euro_2016_full_version.xlsx

I reckon having done it that 3 points would almost certainly get you a best third.

[mickee321]

@Julio_Geordio

@Rocko

But I think we’re most likely to come third

Ah ya absolutely but the Belgians/Italians are getting a raw deal.

As an aside I did a predictor thing there and I predicted a Spain/Germany Final with a Spanish win. Austria were the surprise package of the tournament making the semis, knocking out England in the quarters.

A very satisfying spreadsheet here to allow others do the same
http://www.excely.com/download/uefa_euro_2016_full_version.xlsx

I reckon having done it that 3 points would almost certainly get you a best third.

anyone have any bets on it

• i did slovakia to win at 200/1 - now 150 on powers

BTW
i got a croatia - poland final using this one
https://predictor.bettingexpert.com/euro-cup/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=planetfootball
i had england beating Ireland in the QFs
in a similar vein to 2014 where i backed spain not to make it out of their group im thinking Germany will really really struggle …
if i find odds for them not to make it out of their group ill do it

[anon70480284]

Three qualify from each group?

[myboyblue]

@anon70480284

Three qualify from each group?

Best 4 3rd place teams. Added to top two in each ground = last 16.

[Elvis_Brandenberg_Kr]

What determines who the best 4 third-place teams are? Obviously points, goals etc but, for example if Ireland and Slovakia were to finish with equal records of P3 W1 D1 L1 F3 A4 how would they be separated?

[Rocko]

@Elvis_Brandenberg_Kr

What determines who the best 4 third-place teams are? Obviously points, goals etc but, for example if Ireland and Slovakia were to finish with equal records of P3 W1 D1 L1 F3 A4 how would they be separated?

It goes to fair play next. And then to UEFA ranking (higher team being favoured).

[Blake]

Would be really great if Italy were home and hosed as group winners by the final round.

[cluaindiuic]

Using the link that @mickee321 sent on:

https://predictor.bettingexpert.com/euro-cup/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=planetfootball

Spolier Alert…

This is what the whole tournament looks like according to bookie odds. The 4 that get through as 3rd place are a little random but as they are outsiders they have no real impact on the draw. Just view them as interchangeable goon teams.
They were Romania, Sweden, Ukraine and Turkey.

Winner of Group D [Spain’s group] and winner of Group A [France’s group] have the two nicest paths on paper as they avoid a group winner until the semis.

Spain and Croatia look interesting options based on this.

[Bandage]

@myboyblue

Wait why are we fearing Italy? Shur they’re crap.

@Bandage

+1. They’re dire.

We knew the score, old online pal.