Football Trivia

Elvis_Brandenberg_Kr · May 17, 2018, 8:53pm

Wayne Rooney

anon32894817 · May 17, 2018, 8:54pm

Rooney won both with united

Ashman · May 17, 2018, 8:55pm

Different clubs .

anon32894817 · May 17, 2018, 8:55pm

Juan mata Chelsea and man united

Elvis_Brandenberg_Kr · May 17, 2018, 8:55pm

He did.

GeoffreyBoycott · May 17, 2018, 8:56pm

Wark didn’t make the match day squad of 16 for the 1984 final in Rome.

anon32894817 · May 17, 2018, 8:56pm

I’m confused

Elvis_Brandenberg_Kr · May 17, 2018, 8:57pm

Did Larry Lloyd win a UEFA with Liverpool and a European Cup with Forest?

GeoffreyBoycott · May 17, 2018, 9:00pm

Larry Lloyd is correct. UEFA Cup with Liverpool in 1973 and European Cup with Nottingham Forest in 1979 & 80.

Juan Mata correct as well.

There’s a fifth player as well. By far the trickiest.

anon32894817 · May 17, 2018, 9:04pm

What decade ?

GeoffreyBoycott · May 17, 2018, 9:05pm

He won the second of the medals in the 70’s.

Sidney · May 17, 2018, 9:12pm

Without looking at the posts subsequent to your one, I’d be 99.9% sure Larry Lloyd is one. Liverpool UEFA Cup in '73 and Forest European Cup in '79 and '80. Edit: oh, darn, somebody got there before me.

backinatracksuit · May 17, 2018, 9:15pm

Mad stab in the dark, did Souness pick up a medal for spurs

Sidney · May 17, 2018, 9:24pm

Geoff, with regard to these two, there are problems with both. Clemence didn’t play in either leg of the final - Tony Parks was the goalkeeper for both legs and famously proved the hero in the shoot out at White Hart Lane. Clemence may well have got a medal which would make it technically correct but I feel the spirit, if not the letter of the question has been violated by allowing him.

As regards Kennedy, he won an Inter-Cities Fairs Cup medal rather than a UEFA Cup medal with Arsenal.

Sidney · May 17, 2018, 9:30pm

Frank Clark

GeoffreyBoycott · May 17, 2018, 9:41pm

Clemence unlike John Wark in 1984 was part of the match day squad of 16 for the final so got a medal. Jimmy Rimmer precedent. You included Jimmy Rimmer as one of your two players who won European Cup medals with two different clubs even though he didn’t see any action in 1968.

Sidney · May 17, 2018, 9:42pm

Well clamped rating.

Rimmer me.

I’m still right as regards Kennedy however.

GeoffreyBoycott · May 17, 2018, 9:55pm

It began as an inter city tournament in 1958. A London XI got to the first final with most of the London clubs represented. Tottenham’s win in 1972 may in some quarters be the first reference to UEFA Cup but individual clubs and not inter-city algamations were competing in their own right for a number of years before that as evidenced by Woolwich winning it in 1970.

To differentiate is akin to saying that the European Cup 1956-92 was a different tournament to the ‘Champions League’ from 1993 onwards.

Sidney · May 17, 2018, 10:00pm

UEFA differentiate between the Fairs Cup and the UEFA Cup. They’re different tournaments. You asked for UEFA Cup winners. It’s similar to how Newton Heath was the predecessor of Manchester United, but they were separate clubs.

The European Cup was rebranded as the Champions League and is considered the same tournament. That’s like Woolwich Arsenal becoming Arsenal when they moved to Highbury. Different location and a rebranding, but still the same club.

There’s a subtle difference there, but it makes all the difference.

The Frank Clark answer I gave would be correct if you’re counting Fairs Cups, but he hasn’t won a UEFA Cup, so reluctantly I’ll have to accept that the answer I gave was incorrect.

mickee321 · May 19, 2018, 11:45am

Sidney:

mickee321:

the energy sapping turf

The dog track.

The players waving to family members in the crowd that they cannot see.

balbec:

The Duke of Kent presenting the cup.

The Duchess of Kent is by a considerable distance my favourite member of the Royal Family.

Strongly rumoured to be a Liverpool supporter. She looked delighted when she handed the FA Cup to Ronnie Whelan in 1989.

mickee321:

@Sidney
what are your thoughts/recollections of signing Abide with me at 2-52 PM on the afternoon of a cup final?

I have conflicting feelings about Abide With Me. Yes, it’s a great Cup Final tradition, but one always felt that it was very patrician, that one was being forced to take part in a ritual more designed to placate a class that was not necessarily reflective of the people and communities making up the vast majority of the crowd. It felt separate, it felt other. But, I guess that was part of the build up and pomp and ceremony. It was designed to be formal, to make one feel nervous and intimidated. And overcoming that intimidation was what Cup Final day was ultimately about. It was English football’s version of first holy communion (or whatever the Church of England equivalent is), the Leaving Certificate and a job interview rolled into one.

Gerry Marsden broke through that stuffy formality with his rendition of it in 1989. For the first and only time, it felt like Abide With Me resonated and felt inclusive, that it was of the people and speaking to the people. Nobody else has managed it since.

Ashman:

The new Wembley lacks something .

It lacks sunlight. I think @mickee321 will agree with me on this. The ability of sunlight to bathe the whole pitch was an integral part of the old Wembley and of Cup Final day. Giant shadows take away from the occasion in a significant way.

This applies to the World Cup too. The great, memorable World Cup matches were mostly played in stadiums which allowed the sunlight to flood the pitch and sap the legs of the players. All the great matches of the 1970 and 1986 tournaments. Italy-Brazil 1982. Romania-Argentina 1994. Holland-Argentina 1998. I hate stadium roofs which create shadows.

Abide With Me
Signed: @Sidney

excellent point regarding sunlight
that 89 cup final there was no shadows at all on the pitch at KO, players cramping up with socks rolled down as extra time started, the turf was meant be very energy sapping also
that a really great point sidney and the more i go thru all the cup finals in my head from 1988 to the present day .
was 2000 the first 5pm KO with Villa Chelsea?