Masi mainly and stewards made a few balls ups throughout the season that does need to ve addressed for next year.
I’m really looking forward to seeing the new cars next year and how it will shake up the grid. In 1998 to 2008 it was all mclaren and ferrari ( and Renault) in 2009 to now it it was all Mercedes (formally Honda then brawn) and red bull (formally jaguar). Can alpine Aston Martin and haas also get in the mix?
That stupid useless Canadian cunt is the cause of this shitshow.
Can somebody here explain the actual rule in very simple terms, please?
And the rationale for it.
I keep reading about lapped cars “unlapping” themselves or overtaking the safety car. None of this seems to make any sense.
Why would an unlapped car unlap themselves? That would mean they overtake the leaders? What’s the rationale for this?
The real issue here - from what I can make out - seems to be that when the crash happened with five or six laps left, and the safety car came out, Verstappen had four back markers between him and Hamilton on the track. And that he was allowed to overtake them in the dead period - as well as go into the pits for new tyres - which Hamilton couldn’t do - thus meaning he was right up Hamilton’s hole at the start of the remaining lap instead of having to overtake those back markers when the race began again.
That seems all wrong.
Paddy getting very passionate about the Anschluss owned motor cars and their Dutch and English drivers. This is nearly as life and death in its importance as Paddy’s favourite English soccer team.
The wrong F1 result can be like a Red Bull to a rag for some people.
Hamilton was allowed in for tyres, however had he done so, due to positioning on the track when the safety car deployed, he would have more likely came out behind Verstappen. Also, had Hamilton gone in, Verstappen probably wouldnt have went in. There is also the view that Hamilton was hoping for the race to be finished under the safety car or that the lapped cars would provide him with the buffer between him and Verstappen.
The lapped cars usually pass out the cars in front of them that have lapped them and then rejoin at the rear of the order so that you have the natural order line up of cars on the track, not a mishmash of cars in various positions. That has always been the case. However in this instance they didnt have time to get all the lapped cars away, so only moved on the ones between Verstappen and Hamilton.
Did Verstappen get in and out of the pits ahead of the third placed car?
The last bit seems very arbitrary and made up. For television purposes. Surely the rule is the rule is the rule?
Or does the race director have basically carte blanche to do what he wants?
Hamilton’s real complaint is that there were a few cars behind Verstappen who he says should have been let pass as well but to be honest, that wouldn’t really have made any difference. They would have just passed them both and nothing else would have been changed.
Third place also pitted I think, but was fairly far back anyway so wouldnt have made a difference.
It seems the race director is using a technicality to get carte blanche. The lapped cars thing is always there, but I dont know if it ever happened that they didnt send through all the lapped cars to rejoin at the back of the order.
Even during commentary on the race, they categorically said that lapped cars would be sent through. The only issue was they thought they might have ran out of laps to get it all sorted. Mercedes radioed to Hamilton to say that he would have lost track position if he pitted and that the lapped cars would be sent through and that Verstappen would be up his hole on fresh tyres.
Timing would have been the issue. If they sent them through, they might not have had time to get the one racing lap
I would imagine it’s that when the race restarts, as in this case, it’s so there isn’t 5 cars between 2nd and first who are just in the way.
I know fuck all about F1 but it does seem to have been an incredibly arbitrary decision on letting just 5 cars unlap themselves. Purely for the theatre of it.
They probably would have, it would only have taken a few extra seconds.
Also, the point of the rule in allowing the lapped cars through is to allow as much racing as possible. I think the race organisers were entitled to balance that with allowing racing up front as well.
I think it’s for the benefit of the lapped cars as much as anyone
Ah ya, sure tis like stopping the 5000m before the last lap to let everyone catch up again, a mad system really
Hamilton benefitted from this system at Imola. He was a lap down on max yet ended up on the podium due to being allowed to unlap and the pack being bunched up. He was able to overtake everyone on restart. Its a fair rule to have all cars restart the race on the lead lap
Well the lapped cars are still fighting for the best position they can get and the cars ahead of them are flying right around the track.
It also should be noted that Hamilton kept his lead on lap one and as Martin Brundle said in his commentary, it was inevitable that Hamilton would be giving back his place and that it was clear cut that Hamilton would have to give back the lead to Verstappen. That changed the whole complexity of the race generally. If that happened on the last lap, there would surely be more about that too.
Welcome to F1. Having lapped cars unlap themselves is just so the runners return to their natural order. It bunches the pack up and gives for an entertaining restart. There’s a mountain of luck involved with safety cars. They can make a stupid strategy decision pay off massively and punish those who were actually doing well.
I presume they’ve never thought of getting everybody to line up again on the grid and start in a sort of time trial fashion based on the time gaps before the race had to be stopped?
The safety car was only brought in in about 1994 wasn’t it? The first time I recall it being used was the race where Senna got killed.
I think before that if the race had to be stopped everybody lined up again on the grid as you would at the start?
I guess there’s no properly fair way of doing it, crashed cars blocking the track is just part of the sport.
If you put the time between the cars it would encourage maybe a team mate to crash and waste a few laps where nobody could overtake or make up time.
Probably a bit mental but you have to be mad to do it anyway.