I canât figure out what youâre trying to say at all. Something about the coliseum being grand because it was ages ago.
Some of them are and then you fly into a far right-framed stream of consciousness
If Iâm wrong, people should be able to out-debate me
This is untrue, see @anon7035031âs posts for instance
The Republican party is institutionally deeply racist and refuses to recognise it, it glorifies it in fact
And yet much of white America not only refusues to confront that past, it glorifies it
You donât do it by appeasing racism anyway
Dialogue with who? Dialogue with the far right at Charlottesville? Dialogue with those who point blank refuse to admit thereâs a problem? Dialogue with those who cheerlead that problem and refuse dialgue themselves?
âDebatingâ with racists is not debating with rational people
You think public celebration of pro-slavery racists will help to eradicate racism?
You havenât proposed one solution - you have done a lot of finger pointing though - those who have zero tolerance of racism and glorification of racism are apparently the problem as far as youâre concerned - thatâs your tendency for far right framing kicking in again.
And far right framing is never rational, itâs based on perpetual imagined victimhood. Those who adopt the far rightâs framing are appeasers.
If people like you and @anon7035031 had been around during the civil rights struggles youâd have been bemoaning âa lack of civilityâ and so much more far-right framed bollocks.
And then, in the next breath, glorifying Dan Breen. An uppity white man is grand, uppity blacks not so much.
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You must be confusing me with @Watchyourtoes, heâs the only one worked up about a statue. I donât think I expressed a view on the statue one way or another.
it is difficult to debate with someone with as much righteous indignation as you possess Sidney.
You donât have ideaâs or opinions. You have beliefs. You are every bit as radical as the far right nut jobs you condemn.
Thatâs an evisceration.
Youâre sinking to smithers level nowâŚ
If I had a euro for every time Iâd read a turgid piece of white, middle class imagined victimhood-wallowing rot like this, Iâd be living in Killiney.
Iâd say rising to it
youâre getting very het up.
He took your big long post apart line by line and took chocoâs big long post apart line by line.
You may not like his tone and long windedness, and his stupid endless debates with the Boris Johnson of Galway living out in murica -tiring of it myself- but you canât say he doesnât have ideas. He tore both your posts to pieces with solid reason.
No you expressed no view at all just spent 4 hours of your day talking rope.
I responded in kind.
It just so happens that you agree with his reasoning. Which should set alarm bells off for you.
Neither were an evisceration.
He basically called both of us right wing idiots, which neither of us are.
Sidney calls everyone a right wing idiot, because he thinks he is the epitome of enlightened thinking.
Be careful with him mate
He engaged with your points and tore them up. You couldnât do the same. Hands down.
I am white. And Iâm not ashamed of it, you seem to be though.
I donât think by any stretch of the imagination Iâd be middle class in your imaginary class system.
Itâs imagined victimhood alright, in your imagination.
Untrue, I merely expose how far right framing worms its way into everyday narratives and leaves people holding stupid opinions which they are completely incapable of defending when faced with even the most cursory examination, reflex imaginary-victimhood-wallowing responses like the above prove my point
You made up lies about me and canât tell me whether or not we should take down statues of Franco or pictures of jimmy saville. Whoâs winning?
Nice edit ⌠dragging Labane into it and trying to make it into the usual childish back and forth bull shit.
As I said, youre only intent is to crave attention so you can confirm your own intelligence.
I clearly said that contentious issues should be seized upon by the community and those leading the community to build upon and to engage and learn from- not to give in to hate from both the left and right.
Your response seems to be censorship - or more so a truth that aligns with your own wants and needs. Thatâs the mindset and emotional intelligence of a child.
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You have been routed here today worse than Irvin McDowell at first Manassas(thatâs a civil war battle for the uneducated)
what is it you think my opinion is, so weâre on a level playing field?
See, there you go again. Youâre continually proving my point here. Youâre literally saying that anybody who holds mainstream views like my own is âashamed to be whiteâ.
Thatâs a far right âtalking pointâ. For somebody who claims not to be far right youâre doing hell of a job parrotting their lingo