They were Americans, not Irish.
Irish immigrants same as the North, sons of Irish born and bred fathers and thatās at a push.
Americans then
The Catholic Church obliterated more cultures than any other entity. Adopting their symbols and rituals along the way
They were Irish mate not sure why you are digging your heels in here, the clash of the Union and Confederate soldiers at Fredericksburg is legendary in Civil war history.
You were absolutely destroyed and exposed for peddling fact free bullshit in that āfamine as genocideā debate. Itās laughable to see you back at it. Give it up, you fake history fairytale-believing eejit.
Now youāre here peddling industrial grade racist bullshit that paints the Irish as more oppressed than than black slaves in America. This is at the very extreme end of even the far right spectrum itself, itās Aryan Nation type rot.
You might want to have a read of Liam Hogan because he absolutely eviscerates the total bullshit white supremacist narrative you constantly push on this forum.
I genuinely think weāre not far away from you running with the narrative that black people were better off under slavery. Thatās how far down into the far right rabbit hole youāve dug yourself.
@Sidney You just ignore the articles by one source that doesnāt suit your own agenda then pedal out another which does! If I shoved your pompous head into a pile of cow shit you would waste your time arguing itās pig shit rather than actually cleaning your face. The lads in North Korea would admit to being wrong more often than you, your mentality is essentially what you claim to hate most, that of a dictator who can do no wrong. The fact you cannot even see it makes it all the more amusing to the rest of us.
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leaving aside the pissing contest you are having over who was more oppressed, which is quite frankly very disturbing.
Do you deny that the Irish throughout history were oppressed?
I read articles that reflect reality. It seems like Iām one of the few people who does on this forum.
I see a lot of people on this forum who dig up articles which play to their base prejudices in order to justify a sentimental, backward-looking, reactionary view of the world. A search for faux-comfort, a search for faux-reassurance.
The overarching themes that connect a lot of posters here are fear, irrational anger at others, sickening sentimentality for an imagined golden age which they never experienced because they never existed, and a search for simplistic narratives where complexity abounds, while ironically, they search for complexity to excuse simple bigotry.
All in all, all the classic signs of deeply unhappy middle aged curmudgeons, or in other words, the classic profile of your average Brexit-voting, tomato faced gammon.
If that offends you, and it obviously does, well, tough.
It takes a special type of anglophile prick to defend English oppression in Ireland. In your efforts to defend your beloved English you are now trying to deflect to how Irish were treated in America.
Iām not talking about how the Irish were treated in America you halfwit, Iām talking about how your ancestors treated Irish people in their own country, resulting in our population being lowered by half over a 50 year period.
Fixed that for you.
Youāre welcome
Of course the Irish were oppresssed.
However, itās on one level laughable but on another one disturbing to see an Irish person feasting, gorging and slabbering on fake history which claims the Irish as a people were more oppressed than chattel slaves in America.
And this are the exact same morons who pours scorn at real victims in every other aspect of life and history.
The Labane view of history is like that fog in the Simpsons that turned people inside out - real victims become imagined oppressors while real oppressors become imagined victims, and the justificatory narratives of imperial rape and pillage are pushed relentlessly.
Itās Orwellian, itās Gemma OāDohertyesque, itās actually genuinely frightening. There are seemingly no depths to which that rabbit hole canāt be dug.
This guy must be eating up fake āacademicsā like Stefan Molyneux and the likes. Heās totally brainwashed.
Do please point out where I have done that
Of course the Irish were oppressedā¦ They were made serfs in their own country. Rendered a hopeless cause over centuriesā¦ At least the African slaves got to see another country.
Next up we should tear down all the big houses in Ireland as they are a clear reminder of past transgressions against the Irish people.
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I think youāve more than demonstrated that youāre totally incapable of imagining the lived reality of anybody else - your understanding of history could only come from a narrow, cosseted, white, male, middle class existence.
Youāre not the only one here at it, to be fair.
The thing is, Iāve also had a pretty comfortable existence growing up in late 20th century and early 21st century Ireland myself. The difference between you and me is that I understand there are many different lived realities which are vastly different to mine - I listen to them, you and others here block them out to the point where youāve convinced yourself that they donāt exist.
Then thereās also observable, objective reality, with which the same people who have a problem with peopleās lived realities tend to struggle just as much.
St Patrickās day is a celebration of Welsh slaveryā¦ The Irish were notorious slavers during the early Christian period. Terrorized the west coast of Britainā¦ I think itās inappropriate to celebrate slavery through st. Patrickās day.
What about the Irish slaves taken to Iceland? Does your white middle class privileged empathy extend to those poor souls?