Kevin McStay was adament on Saturday evening that if the ball comes off the post then the square ball doesn’t count and to use his own words “it plays everyone on as such”
This is the first I ever heard of this, surely can’t be true.
yeah,its true alright
Its pure bullshit. You are either in the square before the ball comes in or you are not
What? So Kevin McStay was wrong? There isn’t an offside rule in gaelic football.
McStay is wrong in saying it plays everyone on as such, because, as Bandage points out, there’s no offside rule. But the rules themselves are a bit ambiguous about this situation.
Rules of Foul Play
RULE 4 - TECHNICAL FOULS
4.9 For an attacking player to enter opponents’
small rectangle before the ball enters it during
play.
By definition in this case, if it hits the post and comes back out, he was already illegally standing in the square as he’s committed a technical foul.
However:
Exception
(i) If an attacking player legally enters the
small rectangle, and the ball is played
from that area but is returned before the
attacking player has time to leave the
area, provided he does not play the ball
or interfere with the defence, a foul is not
committed.
(ii) When a point is scored from outside the
small rectangle and the ball is sufficiently
high to be out of reach of all players, the
score shall be allowed even though an
attacking player may have been within the
small rectangle before the ball - provided
that the player in question does not
interfere with the defence.
Then, if he’s run into the square after the ball had entered the square area airspace, and he’s in the square as the ball rebounds, he’s legal, providing he doesn’t interfere with play.
At least thats my interpretation. But I guess if you asked 10 different referees, you’d get 10 different answers.
you must have fuck all for doing today
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you must have fuck all for doing today[/quote]
Square balls hold a particular fascination for me.
That’s not what it says Fitzy. [quote=“Fitzy, post: 613350”]
McStay is wrong in saying it plays everyone on as such, because, as Bandage points out, there’s no offside rule. But the rules themselves are a bit ambiguous about this situation.
Rules of Foul Play
RULE 4 - TECHNICAL FOULS
4.9 For an attacking player to enter opponents’
small rectangle before the ball enters it during
play.
By definition in this case, if it hits the post and comes back out, he was already illegally standing in the square as he’s committed a technical foul.
However:
Exception
(i) If an attacking player legally enters the
small rectangle, and the ball is played
from that area but is returned before the
attacking player has time to leave the
area, provided he does not play the ball
or interfere with the defence, a foul is not
committed.
(ii) When a point is scored from outside the
small rectangle and the ball is sufficiently
high to be out of reach of all players, the
score shall be allowed even though an
attacking player may have been within the
small rectangle before the ball - provided
that the player in question does not
interfere with the defence.
Then, if he’s run into the square after the ball had entered the square area airspace, and he’s in the square as the ball rebounds, he’s legal, providing he doesn’t interfere with play.
At least thats my interpretation. But I guess if you asked 10 different referees, you’d get 10 different answers.
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How so Fagan?
Cos the ball would have to leave the square and come back in for the first rule to apply. By hitting the post it doesn’t leave the square. McStay, and it has to be said, you, are both fuckwits.
Keep thinking you’re Watch the break with that avatar too…
[quote=“gola, post: 613355”]Cos the ball would have to leave the square and come back in for the first rule to apply. By hitting the post it doesn’t leave the square. McStay, and it has to be said, you, are both fuckwits.
Keep thinking you’re Watch the break with that avatar too…[/quote]
No it would not Gola, the ball is on the way in, the player is in the square already. McStay was talking about something totally different.
I had that avatar long before WTB.
Another Gaa Rules question for ye gentlemen.
Normally when there are three teams level on points scoring difference is normally used to decide the placings. But how would the three teams be seperated if in one of the games between teams involved was overturned in the boardroom and awarded to the team that lost (as the other side had ineligable players on the field).
Presume scoring difference could not be used then or would the team that were awarded the game be given the win with a nominal winning margin assigned for it or would this then used to decide the scoring difference and who goes through
Scoring difference was ruled out in the past - this was the case when Cork didn’t participate in the opening stages on the League in 2009.
I’m not sure if this has changed since then though.
[quote=“chewy louie, post: 613357”]Another Gaa Rules question for ye gentlemen.
Normally when there are three teams level on points scoring difference is normally used to decide the placings. But how would the three teams be seperated if in one of the games between teams involved was overturned in the boardroom and awarded to the team that lost (as the other side had ineligable players on the field).
Presume scoring difference could not be used then or would the team that were awarded the game be given the win with a nominal winning margin assigned for it or would this then used to decide the scoring difference and who goes through[/quote]
A playoff system with 2 playing each other, winner goes through, loser gets second chance is one I’ve seen in the past.
Generally this. But if there is only one place up for grabs, then there is a random draw, one team getting a bye to the “final” while the other two teams play off to get into the final.
Edit: but I’d imagine a lot of this can vary according to local bye-laws
It is a group of 4 with, two making the semi’s. For arguements sake, three teams are level with 2 wins apiece and one defeat.
This has not happened by the way, but there is a slight possibility that it may come to pass, so am wondering as to how it would be resolved
[quote=“chewy louie, post: 613361”]It is a group of 4 with, two making the semi’s. For arguements sake, three teams are level with 2 wins apiece and one defeat.
This has not happened by the way, but there is a slight possibility that it may come to pass, so am wondering as to how it would be resolved[/quote]
As runt said you can be sure theres a provision for this happening in the by laws, but it sounds as if what I suggested would come to pass if this happened.
Every Championship has its own rules for deciding what seperates teams on level points, but in general a team given a walk over would either mean they get a fixed +5 (or whatever) score difference or score difference cannot be used as a means of seperating teams.
I’ve also seen it happen where a team gives a w/o and all their results are voided which really fucks things up
Or however the CCCC decided to fix it to suit Cork.
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Or however the CCCC decided to fix it to suit Cork.[/quote]
Classic TASE 