General Election 2011

The Dunnes Stores shirts will do that. No extravagance for a man of the people like him.

James breen consider looking for a recount according to clare fm

Observer Editorial:

The Irish people have suffered enough. Europe should back off

The new government in Dublin deserves a supportive EU, not a punitive one

Editorial
he Observer, Sunday 27 February 2011

The Irish have delivered a savage verdict on those who turned their country from the envy of the world into an object of pity. In the process, they have smashed one of Europe’s great political machines, the Fianna Fáil party that enjoyed a near monopoly of power since 1932. This is a striking example of democracy at work.

But does it matter? Voters damned Fianna Fáil’s disastrous decision to underwrite the staggering losses of grotesquely reckless banks. They are, however, stuck with those same policies in the shape of the deal made with the International Monetary Fund and the European Union. It ties the new government into ever-more brutal austerity for at least the next four years, while continuing to lavish public money on insolvent banks.

This deal is punitive, unjust and unsustainable. The Irish undoubtedly had to pay a price for the follies of the governments they elected. Mass unemployment, mass emigration, rapidly falling standards of living and rising poverty are horrifying to see and clearly punishment enough.

It is hard to avoid the conclusion that Irish interests are being sacrificed to the larger cause of saving the euro. The IMF suggests the need for banking crisis resolutions “ultimately allowing losses to be borne by creditors rather than taxpayers”. German chancellor Angela Merkel said last November that bank bondholders should take the hit when a country is in trouble. The EU intends to make sure this happens – after 2013. Why should the opposite policy apply for Ireland?

The regime being imposed on Ireland is utterly unrealistic. A depressed and deeply indebted economy with just 1.8 million people at work cannot underwrite private banking liabilities of €200bn (135% of GDP). The parties that will form the new government promised to renegotiate the deal with the IMF/EU. If democracy and European solidarity are to mean anything, they should get a sympathetic and fair-minded hearing.

The Sindo urging FG to seek a single party majority with the independents according to the Vincent Browne show.

What a pack of complete and utter cunts :angry:

your fucked so

Good editorial there from the Observer.

Next count in Dub NE

DUBLIN NORTH EAST 7TH COUNT Blaney 2,955 Power 5,579 O’Toole 5,754 Kenny 6,000

O’Toole and Power picked up equal transfers from Guerin but Kenny in a clear advantage now from those transfers. Blaney next to go and should make it all clear. Unlikely for O’Toole now but even less likely for Power which is good news.

Grand in theory WTB but Merkel et al are answerable to their electorate too and they have reacted badly thus far to any prospectice renegotiation of ECB loans.

Indeed, but they’re not under any illusions with respect to our capacity to repay these loans either and German industry still needs markets for its exports.

A lot of resentment in Germany also seems to stem from our tax model which they understandably feel is too much of a soft touch relative to their own. Whether they will ever go as far as enforcing a more european economic ideology remains to be seen, but either way the debt forgiveness won’t come with no strings attached.

Their must be some amonut of spastics in Cork city. Christ.

We agree on something at last

Michael Lowry with 14,000 votes ffs. That’s 14000 cunts right there.

Disgusted to see Timmy Dooley getting back in aswell.Hopefully though McNamara can give a good account of himself. Wouldn’t hold much hope for the two FGers.

Pretty amazing vote for Wallace considering he only
declared a few weeks ago. What was his mandate does anyone know? It seems like people were looking for genuine alternatives in this election but the political system didn’t really provide it. At least Wallace, Ross and Ming won’t just sit their in silence anyway.

Kenny (Lab) got the final seat in Dub NE fairly comfortably in the end.

Blaney’s transfers went fairly evenly among O’Toole and Kenny with slightly less for Power. So Averill went out a good thousand behind Kenny and 200 behind O’Toole. Her transfers went heavily to Kenny so he gets elected comfortably.

Fairly surprising victory for SF in Sligo-North Leitrim late last night too. Michael Colreavy is the sole Leitrim representative in the Dáil managing to get in ahead of incumbent FF-er Eamon Scanlon. Signs too of a maturity in the electorate there. Colvreavy was in fourth place with 5 candidates left (after Scanlon picked up a load of FF transfers) but when O’Keefe of Labour got eliminated her transfers went overwhelmingly along left wing lines to SF than along county lines to a fellow Sligo candidate.

It’s not that surprising from polls and things to see Lowry elected but I find it no less astonishing for having been warned beforehand. Tops the fucking poll. Unbelievable.

Is this the end of Fianna Fail? It is one thing to come back from 40-50 seats, another to come back from 20. Will SF in the future collect the populist/republican/working class vote and the more middle class elements of FF gravitate to FG? FF have an ageing support base. It will be a completely different animal if it survives. If the coalition do a decent job FF can be out for 10 years.

I don’t think they’ll recover in their current guise.

Aside from civil war politics, which has thankfully played a more minor role in this election, they’ve always portrayed themselves as the experts at government. They’d always put out the idea that you wouldn’t know what FG or Labour would do and FF are the real masters at government. That myth was exposed in the last few years and now they’ve nothing really to differentiate themselves from FG with. They can be slightly left of centre but Labour are more comfortable in that ground and have a younger support base and younger elected representatives.

Essentially they don’t really stand for anything anymore.

Incidentally Labour are getting a fair bit of praise for their performance in this election, and they did well to recover a bit in the last week, but normally you’d expect a left wing alternative viewpoint to gain an awful lot of popularity in an economic crisis caused by banks and developers. They’ve done reasonably well but they’re a long way off being a national party and really struggle to get multiple candidates elected even in Dublin.

John Browne of FF retained his seat in Wexford in the end. A real poor grasp of the PR system by me earlier on the thread and I can only apologise. Getting more first preference votes than his FF running mate Sean Connick was key for him. Browne was then elected based on Connick’s. sizable transfers and Michael D’Arcy of FG was squeezed out.

So 2 sitting TDs in Connick and D’Arcy lost their seats - Wallace coming in and topping the poll and Liam Twomey of FG getting back in. He was elected as an Independent in 2002 before joining FG shortly afterwards. He was their Health spokesperson in the lead up to the 2007 election but lost his seat to fellow FG man D’Arcy but now has it back.

Is D’Arcy the only sitting TD from FG or Labour to lose his seat?

Deirdre Clune FG Cork south central will lose her seat as well Rocko

Forgot her. That was dreadful vote management by FG there.

If there is a more drab individual in southern politics than Liam Twomey I haven’t seen him