Bravo Sir
take a bow Cork South Central and Limerick for letting a FFer (andangered species that they are) top the poll.
thankfully, the havoc FFâs ineptitude is about to unleash on the HSE will see their core vote die off before the next election
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From RTE: âSeveral ballot papers had to be spoiled because of crude language.â :lol:
Adams is of no benefit to politics in Ireland. Would suspect the real reason he got involved is to quell Dohertyâs popularity in the party. His career to date has shown that above all else he protects his position of power at all times and has been ruthless in doing so. A lot more people would vote for Sinn Fein if the likes of Adams and Ferris stood aside.
Does anyone else think Michelle Mulherin of Fine Gael is an absolute fox?
I drew a Hitler style tash on OâDonoghueâs picture while trying to decide my number 2 and 3.
Did you see the face on OâDonoghue when he realised he wasnât elected? He got up on the pulpit then and made some speech along the lines of âItâs ironic, here i am at the scene of my election defeat, in a building which wouldnât be here only for me.â
Fuck off you horrible cunt.
No I didnât see him. The cunt should be looking out from behind bars if there was any justice. The days of âbusiness meetingsâ at Longchamp are gone for now.
Maybe. Maybe not. I couldnât really imagine them doing much better than they did this time considering the number of candidates they fielded.
yep. they got half FFâs vote and almost as many seats, theyâll do well to repeat that success next time out even with a decent increase in first pref votes.
they can thank a combination of poor candidate strategy for FF, their unprecedented transfer repellence and SFâs rehabilitaton thanks mainly to Dohertyâs angry young man routine.
Interesting times ahead when Doherty, Mcdonald, MacLochlann, McLellan and the rest of the 2nd generation TDs realize that the likes of Gerry and Ferris are holding them back politically and professionally.
Hopefully the likes of McGrath, Troy, McConalogue and the rest of the so called Ăłgra generation donât take too long knifing OâDea, Lenihan, Martin and Smith to save their own worthless hides.
I donât think the significance of that Donegal by-election can be overestimated. Not only the awful quality of candidates that FF, FG, and Labour fielded, but the platform it gave Doherty and by extension Sinn Fein. Did any other party produce a young candidate that caught the publicâs attention like Doherty did? They havenât lost their knack for marketing.
Agree that it probably didnt make much difference this time in terms of numbers. But if SF put forward a half decent candidate in Clare for example, a lot more would vote for them if the likes of Adams went. Considering the vote that young lad Markham got, and fair play to him, SF probably should have ran someone anyway to gain a foothold for next time.
In terms of being a genuine alternative it would be better if the likes of Adams stepped aside. Adams, Ferris, McDonald, O Snotface - cant see too many genuiney innovative policies coming out of these four. 4 gombeens in truth, 2 of them living off the back of the relative failure of freedom fighters/criminal enterprise in a foreign state and 2 absolute nothing politicans. Im not saying that the other parties have their surplus of nothing politicans, Clare has elected three for sure who will add nothing to national parliament but you would hope smaller parties on the rise would have decent capable candidates like Pearse Doherty who imo was crucial to the SF vote nationally. What are the other successful SF candidates like?
Disappointed to see Eamon Ryan lose out actually. The Bike to Work scheme seems like a really good one in Dublin and I always thought he was an alright sort. Gormley acted like a cunt in Govt though especially with Poolbeg so he can have no complaints. Im not sure why the greens bother getting involved in stupid shit like coursing and crap like that. They should leave the save the whales shit behind and concentrate on proper policies that affect humans like renewable energy, broadband etc. Im sure they will regroup and get back about 5 or so seats the next time.
I wouldnât disagree too much with any of that.
Re the Greens I think their âsave the whalesâ agenda is only a reflection of the people who represent their base and to whom issues like these matter. These are the people who campaign for them and I wouldnât hammer them for being principled and representing their supporters views accordingly. Thatâs democracy after all.
Yes they have a live future provided we donât as a country go too far down this batshit âthe market will fix itâ road. Remember thereâs sod all of a green political movement in the UK or US and these are the societies we are beginning to mirror most politically. I saw this German government worker give a presentation on the German green economy late last year and they are so far ahead of us in terms of the general debate, the infrastructure, and commercialisation of it all that itâs embarrassing. We are really fucking backward relative to Europe in this regard and the Greens future depends on whether we lean towards the Anglo-American or European political culture in the years ahead.
As for Sinn Fein, Iâm not convinced that innovative policies have very much to do with power in this country. Believe it or not some brilliant policies were implemented under that Fianna Fail government and I donât know if most of them ever made the national news. Whether Adams will be any good or not I donât know but for sure and certain he helps maintain Sinn Feinâs identity as a party distinct from the political mainstream. Thatâs important and may well prove crucial over the next five years. Remember the timing of the next election.
The invisible hand of the market argument is as dead now as communism. The market wont fix anything, people are getting too bothered about âthe marketâ anyway. The market reacts to policy, i think too many in the GFC period internationally have made the mistake of policy reacting to the market. In a perfect capitalist model, banning short selling, saving bondholders wouldnt happen either. There will be a broad consensus globally that sensible regulation (red tape) is required for economies and societies to prosper going forward. Ireland with no regulation will be the basket case that academics refer to in future as to what a lack of regulation can lead to.
re the Greens, our electoral system is vastly different to the US and UK so its not a good comparison. More people seem to believe that we should be copying our successful European partners - Scandinavia, Germany etc rather than aping the Brits and Yanks. The PD mantra of being closer to Boston to Berlin is over. That can only be good really. Im not sure if we are all that bad when it comes to renewable energy and that. Have had a few âsave the whalesâ crusties here ask me about Ireland and the great work that is already been done in this area - Spirit of Ireland, wind, wave etc. I know jack shit unfortunately about energy but the country cannot remain dependent on an extremely volatile oil supply from abroad. Ireland and Portugal they were saying were the leaders Aus should be aping.
Provide a list of the excellent FF policies there. It is pretty unfortunate that personalities and media soundbites hold more ground with electorates globally than policies but that is the situation. To be honest I think Adams will be an embarassment in opposition once a European debt default is agreed. Under Doherty I think SF would have a chance of serious gains but Adams will hold them back. Wikleaks or one of them will surely have a field day on the Norn Iron conflict soon and he is bound to come out of it bad.
Im actually a bit optimistic about ireland after the election. There is a sense of actual debate about what actually matters for the country. A lot of cunts were voted out which is a good thing. Pricks like healy rae and lowry will be an embarrassment in a Dail with a huge majority so they wont get in again. I actually hope they close down Nenagh hospital after it. The debt crisis is massive but I think there will be a realisation in Europe that the sovereign debt will have to be restructured. Further cuts are necessary unfortunately to balance the books but I think there might be some cause for optimism after the removal of a disgraceful government. The Economist had a piece on Ireland there recently which was surprisingly positive. Maybe someone can dig it out.
adams has brought the republican movement from a path of guerilla warfare to been more than likely the biggest party in the 6 & almost the biggest opposition party in the south. to do this he without the republican movement splitting proves he is one of the few politicans in Ireland with credibility.
up the ra
ffs
And played his part in âsecuringâ the funding.
This counting thing aint 'asyâŚ