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Any chance he’ll make an offer for the HSE

Fine Gael would be insane to go to the country now

They’ve had terrible press lately

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If martin can get dirty and start throwing mud at leo and his ministers he could do damage . Murphy Harris and Flanagan are sitting ducks. He should be going to town on them . Donohue is another gobshite

I think the question isn’t whether FF et al can throw dirt. The question is whether voters will think they can do a better job. Voters might decide change for changes sake after 9 years but I still think to get a decisive win FF will need to convince that they are capable. Martin comes across as a decent enough politician but there might be concerns about the depth chart

To be honest FG are fully capable of pissing on their chips and don’t need FF to hurt them

I think there’s an essential difference in hubris between the UK and Irish electorates

Leo Varadkar would play well with a Tory type audience who are naturally hubristic

But we don’t really have that type of electorate

Except when Fianna Fail are in government, oddly enough

Electorates have certain DNA built in and that DNA generally comes to the surface in election campaigns

The Irish electorate is Fianna Fail DNA and that DNA is going to make its presence felt

A Fianna Fail Taoiseach can point to “achievements” and the electorate will say “I’m voting Bertie/Charlie etc.”

Kenny does the same thing and they pillory him and accuse him of being out of touch

The same will happen to Varadkar

It comes back to the perception of who is the natural party of government

In this country Fianna Fail is perceived as such, in Britain it’s the Tories

Different parties, different rules

And once FF are back in, that’s it for Fine Gael for a generation

What world do you live in? It’s all about the mud slinging

Ah I know mud will be slung and that’ll be the plan. I think a lot will stick too. The question is whether FF manage to persuade that they can do a better job enough to get a decisive victory.

Ya we all know what DNA liberals have @Sidney

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I’m going to disagree with the forum and say that Leo has frequently come across as a decent sort, embarrassed by the complete pack of cunts around him. He has also come across as lazy, unimaginative and not very good however.

Yes, but he’s not Catholic, he’s brown and also gay, so isn’t acceptable to some.

Ever met him? He the least Irish politician you’d imagine as in he seems to have no interest in pressing the flesh etc. The antithesis of a Bertie or Enda

He had very tense buttocks, I told the forum at the time.

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I think that DNA you refer to is largely decomposing by now.

The myth of Fianna Fail is finished I would say, so to succeed in today’s climate they need to provide a viable alternative. Like it or not for most people the country is doing fairly well, and not many want to go back to the old Ireland, whether socially or economically. There is the danger of that with the wrong policies.

Irish people love to complain, but relative to a lot of Europe today the country is doing well. I know you love France (as do I, especially the wine and cheese), but not sure Irish people would settle for high unemployment, massive youth unemployment, and riots every weekend in the major cities.

The Tories won because the alternative was too awful to contemplate for the electorate, you truly need to get your head around this fact.

I think it used to be that way but not anymore sid. Ff got a rebound from some of their deserters in the last election but 33% of the vote is now oretty much their ceiling imo. It used to be their absolute floor. Theres plenty who will not vote for them again out of the pain they caused. A lot of their religious supporters are literally dying and their young candidates are struggling to connect with voters. As a party theyve never really had to fight, so there are many without that ground game in their DNA.
They may well end up as the largest party, but it will be by default if it happens, FG will have shot themselves in the foot, again. And if they are, they’ll be a disaster in government.
Our electorate is more local. We love ‘our man’ up there in Dublin. And we’ll vote in a cunt every time if he’s our cunt, irrespective of party.
I foresee FG dropping a few, ff basically holding, the greens getting about 6, Labour getting 7 -9 socdems up to 3/4, and sf dropping about 5/6.

The fact that he’s brown and gay is pretty much how he ended up being Taoiseach in the first place. He achieved absolutely nothing in his political career to justify an elevation to Taoiseach and he’s a smug cunt

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labour :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

We’ll see.

The public haven’t forgot their treachery