In one way much of it was unavoidable. In another yes, Iād say it was a move to their base, giving a bit more to middle income workers. āPeople who get up early in the morningā etc.
I generally avoid replying to you as much as possible. Iāve definitely no interest in getting into back and forth with you.
You may now go and whinge that Iām running away and claim to have won another debate.
As you raise no points.
You started off here with a diatribe on the US/UK and then moved onto ācaringā when the reality that FGās health policy mirrors all the other parties was pointed out.
When facts and figures are pointed out, you came up with other false narrative on where the money is spent.
You spend a lot of time posting here and lashing others as uncaring but really have nfi what youāre talking about.
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But it was tilted at lower paid as you said, which I agree with, but hardly the main FG voter base.
As I said, I agreed that some level of rises were required. The reality is though that the available resources each year for new allocation is relatively limited and pay deals have eaten up a disproportionate amount of that. That is resources which could otherwise go to any of the priorities as highlighted in the election - Health, Housing and Childcare.
The hypocrisy from the public sector unions in this is stunning but unsurprising.
PS workers have traditionally voted FF and Labour. Stop talking nonsense.
Flesh that out Art or are you talking exclusively about Dublin? Ireland is a lot more than Dublin which all these cunts within FFGSF & the rest fail to understand.
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Low to middle income workers in the public sector are above average earners. It also would not have been politically expedient for FG to restore wages of those on 60k+.
Wage restoration should have started with the lowest and then the teachers and other new entrants that started on lower scales than their colleagues. They havenāt been helped yet of course (they wouldnāt be likely to be FG voters).
Debating the rights and wrongs of wage restoration is a different thing. Public sector workers sucked up a lot and bore the āemergency legislationā introduced to cut their wages, and I think public sector unions have been quite restrained in seeking restoration.
And come off it. The definition of hypocrisy is blaming public sector workers for FGs policy choices in health and housing. Thatās hilarious stuff, you really can do better than that.
Some interesting things here.
About half of both FF and FG voters happy with the grand coalition
SF voters, unsurprisingly, totally against FF/FG gov
Lab voters prefer FF/FG to left coalition 
Compare that with SD
For a spliff head youāre very exciteable. Iām referring to all of Ireland. If I meant Dublin I wouldāve said Dublin
Hereās a map with all LA owned property
FG didnāt do a giveaway budget pre election and paid the price. Should they have given more out? To whom?
We are facing into extremely volatile times and people are failing to see that.
Wtf do you want done? How do you propose paying for it and where do you want budgets cut elsewhere to fund it?
Hearsay & bollocksā¦
Iād like to see a shift towards the state building housing for those that need it, instead of giving massive subsidies to already rich landlords and landowners and hoping that will solve the problem. I think this will have a long term positive impact for everyone else and fix the highly disfunctional housing market. Iād like to see the state pivot towards a proper free public health system like the NHS. That would be costly but worth it. I think the SF manifesto had some good revenue raising proposals. I think the state should borrow to fund capital spending, like on housing public transport and other infrastructure that will have long term positive impacts if it needs to.
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Spliff Head?
Care to mention all the Proposed Housing schemes on public land which have been railroaded by neighbouring residents? Is that exclusively FGās fault?
Care to expand on this with some details? Iām interested to hear about them.
It is not
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FFG will almost certainly work out an arrangement. But the Irish media landscape is very different to the UK one. In Ireland there are no right wing tabloids with a fanatical following who will cheerlead FFG like in the UK. Clearly there is a pro-FFG bias in the Irish media, but it only helps to drain support from FFG. A FFG coalition will only reinforce the perception of a cartel and play into Sinn Feinās hands. Governments almost always lose seats at the next election in Ireland, Bertie Ahernās first government was the only one to buck the trend but that was led by a gifted retail politician of the sort that FFG do not currently have. However Mary Lou McDonald does have a similar type of appeal as a retail politician to Bertie Ahern. FFG have 73 seats. Even if an FFG coalition was perceived as a success, they would likely be south of 70 seats next time. Why? Simple maths.Their vote is dying out.
No itās not exclusively FGs fault but a large dollop of the blame can be apportioned to them, as well as the nimbys
For Dublin only? How can it help the homeless. Forgive me for feeling youāre a bit wishy washy here with your points.
Finally an honest reply
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Whatās hearsay or bollocks about it? We still have a lower tier scale for newer entrant teachers etc. Newer entrants are likely to be younger and not likely to be FG voters. Theyāre the generation that have been locked out of the housing market, had their wages reduced, seen rents skyrocket and generally been fucked over and told to get on with it.
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