The stumpy lady from Cork I think
Feel free to tag me if youd like to take the piss out of me. Sure what fun is it otherwise?
@Juhniallio didnât rhyme with Juh. Keep cross referencing posts to determine whoâs seething and who isnât, you odd little man.
The fun is in knowing youâll find it and respond without being tagged.
Unnecessary nasty tone there. Iâve just finished the kidâs schooling for the day and am feeling quite good so Iâll be ignoring the sentiments.
I said you were lying. Itâs possible you were just plain wrong but given how smart you are Iâd imagine thereâs little chance of that. How are you today?
So during this crisis Leo has rehired a PR guy , who is using endless bot accounts and having Leo sit for endless daily photo ops , and is being paid with state money â
By god.
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NIMBYism is rife across the political boundaries, you wonât hear me say otherwise.
I am specifically talking about someone who makes a virtue of himself and lambasts others.
You see you use the word âNIMBYismâ there in an attempt to shut down debate and to try and claim that everything around the issue is black and white, when it isnât.
The word you should be looking for is âdemocracyâ.
The fact is Dublin City Council planners rejected the development because it was not in accordance with their development plan.
Given that fact, it seems more than reasonable to object.
Iâm not the person saying that all the arguments are one way or the other - you are.
No, NIMBYism isnât about shutting down debate, itâs a fact of life in many western countries that disproportionately impacts the less well off.
AOR is classic in looking out for local interests, local interests are to keep things the way they are. Where he differs is the holier than thou attitude. Indeed AOR once upon a time called for houses to be built on the lands, but changed once the reality of being elected came in.
The moves to take away power from DCC is due to their poor planning over the years and bending over to NIMBYism. Theyâve gone against their own local area plans when it suits and have proven themselves to be unfit for purpose. Everyone is for housing and apartments, just not in their area.
See, youâve done it again there, you use cliched far right buzzphrases to shut down debate.
You think the situation is black and white, as you usually do.
It isnât.
You say that AOR once called for houses to be built on the lands. Thatâs a completely different thing to the proposed development. You, predictably, think itâs the same.
Itâs pretty obvious what your game is here - itâs to whinge and moan and try and discredit a politician who gets under your skin, via crude Murdoch-style reductionist tactics. You refuse to even contemplate that he might have a point. The classic right-wing playbook, in other words.
Arise Senator Malcolm. What a roller coaster 9 months, heâs contested local elections, bye election, general election, Seanad election and European election. Set a record as well as the shortest second TD since 1922.
Youâre full of accusations alright. Iâm grand. Cleat being cooped up isnât agreeing with you because youâre being an awful dickhead.
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NIMBYism has nothing to do with left or right. As I already stated, this is a disease in all parties, though FG at a national level have made steps to stop this.
AOR gives out about the housing crisis continually. He previously called for houses to be built there, but now objects to anything being there and wants it âpreserved as a parkâ, when itâs not a public park and is a tiny part of the greenfields there. His excuse for this change is that at the time he didnât represent the area.
If he wants to really object to ABPâs new powers, then go into government and change it. Labour and his excuse for going in in 2011 and the subsequent actions was that it was a national emergency, apparently the current situation does not meet that threshold for him. AOR is currently happy out that his objections to this development resecured him a seat in the DĂĄil and wants to snipe from the sidelines as leader of the party. He has very little credibility at this point.
What youâre basically saying is: âI have a position on a subject and anybody else who doesnât have that position is not legitimateâ, that their position is not legitimate, that they should not be allowed hold a position different to yours.
Thatâs not democracy, thatâs a lust for dictatorship.
Nope, Iâm calling out his hypocrisy and thirst for a DĂĄil seat and a soap box rather than doing something practical.
In fairness to him, he suffered for doing that between 2011-2016.
No, thatâs not what youâre doing. Youâre saying that taking a position you disagree with on a matter is illegitimate, and that there could not possibly be any legitimate reason to take such a position, and that any person who takes such a position is doing so for nefarious or self-serving reasons.
You are saying that an issue is entirely black and white when it clearly isnât.
ABP have rejected plenty of these applications, including a previous one here. These should only be put where there is high quality transport links and thatâs the emphasis of ABP decisions so far. During the Celtic Tiger we had this wonderful devolved County Council (and opportunistic developer) driven development and ended up with sprawl, ghost estates and people sitting in cars. Itâs actually far cheaper for developers to throw up 2 floor houses in the back arse of nowhere than undertake these developments.
All in all, what is the issue with it? It is currently playing fields not open to the general public. The school itself gets hugely enhanced facilities out of this. It is a tiny portion of a huge amount of greenfields. More young people move into the area and can use public transport to work.
The disease of NIMBYism is everywhere. In DĂșn Laoghaire Rathdown there was the same mass objections from worried locals (and still are when they come up) 25 years ago over apartment blocks and various nonsensical reasons against them.
Bad day for the suppliers exorbitantly-priced refreshments
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