Itâs pretty ironic that a club renowned for their fascist, BNP leaning, âChelsea Heradhuntersâ support now has a Jewish core in the owner and manager.
Give me a break. âRenownedâ among who exactly? Papists? Have you been to a Chelsea home game lately? Not many headhunters to be seen. Same way the Celtic fans who threw bananas at Mark Walters in the 80s wouldnât be too common at games these daysâŚ
Sledgehammer wrote:
Itâs pretty ironic that a club renowned for their fascist, BNP leaning, âChelsea Heradhuntersâ support now has a Jewish core in the owner and manager.
Give me a break. âRenownedâ among who exactly? Papists? Have you been to a Chelsea home game lately? Not many headhunters to be seen. Same way the Celtic fans who threw bananas at Mark Walters in the 80s wouldnât be too common at games these daysâŚ
The last time I was at Stamford Bridge was because of work commitments for the Anderlecht Champions League game in September 2005. I havenât been back since and donât intend going back either unless Celtic are drawn against them at some stage. Are you honestly trying to deny that Chelsea have a right-wing, fascist, racist support? Donât make me laugh. I was accosted in a pub on the Fulham Road after that game by a group of fooking idiots when they heard my accent as I ordered a round.âPaddy this, IRA that, No Surrender, BNP all the wayâ. Dicks. I heard their songs, I listened to them racially abuse their own black players and I saw a group of clowns right in front of my eyes in the stand arrange to leave the ground early in order to get a good position to attack the visiting supporters as they left. They were at similar before last seasonâs pre-season friendly when Celtic went down to play them. Like many firms, Chelseaâs hooligan elementâs probably in danger of being priced out of football but the underbellyâs very much still there as the plethora of knife attacks before the Spurs cup-tie last spring would also verify. Pack of racist fook-wits.
Bandage wrote:
Sledgehammer wrote:
[quote]Itâs pretty ironic that a club renowned for their fascist, BNP leaning, âChelsea Heradhuntersâ support now has a Jewish core in the owner and manager.
Give me a break. âRenownedâ among who exactly? Papists? Have you been to a Chelsea home game lately? Not many headhunters to be seen. Same way the Celtic fans who threw bananas at Mark Walters in the 80s wouldnât be too common at games these daysâŚ
The last time I was at Stamford Bridge was because of work commitments for the Anderlecht Champions League game in September 2005. I havenât been back since and donât intend going back either unless Celtic are drawn against them at some stage. Are you honestly trying to deny that Chelsea have a right-wing, fascist, racist support? Donât make me laugh. I was accosted in a pub on the Fulham Road after that game by a group of fooking idiots when they heard my accent as I ordered a round.âPaddy this, IRA that, No Surrender, BNP all the wayâ. Dicks. I heard their songs, I listened to them racially abuse their own black players and I saw a group of clowns right in front of my eyes in the stand arrange to leave the ground early in order to get a good position to attack the visiting supporters as they left. They were at similar before last seasonâs pre-season friendly when Celtic went down to play them. Like many firms, Chelseaâs hooligan elementâs probably in danger of being priced out of football but the underbellyâs very much still there as the plethora of knife attacks before the Spurs cup-tie last spring would also verify. Pack of racist fook-wits.[/quote]
Thatâs a good comeback right there.
Bandage wrote:
The last time I was at Stamford Bridge was because of work commitments for the Anderlecht Champions League game in September 2005. I havenât been back since and donât intend going back either unless Celtic are drawn against them at some stage. Are you honestly trying to deny that Chelsea have a right-wing, fascist, racist support? Donât make me laugh. I was accosted in a pub on the Fulham Road after that game by a group of fooking idiots when they heard my accent as I ordered a round.âPaddy this, IRA that, No Surrender, BNP all the wayâ. Dicks. I heard their songs, I listened to them racially abuse their own black players and I saw a group of clowns right in front of my eyes in the stand arrange to leave the ground early in order to get a good position to attack the visiting supporters as they left. They were at similar before last seasonâs pre-season friendly when Celtic went down to play them. Like many firms, Chelseaâs hooligan elementâs probably in danger of being priced out of football but the underbellyâs very much still there as the plethora of knife attacks before the Spurs cup-tie last spring would also verify. Pack of racist fook-wits.
The question about when you were last there was tongue in cheek. It makes sense that you wonât be back until Celtic play there. What doesnât make sense is you commenting on what âthey were up toâ at a game you werenât at; talking about the recent friendly obviously, and the 'RA singing antics of the CSC. If they were sober enough to all sing the same IRA song at the same time it would have more of an impact.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGsENm9Q4GI
Canât say I understand why anyone would accuse you of being an IRA sympathiser, or sing No Surrender at you just in hearing your Irish accent, but you obviously didnât feel threatened enough to leave the place, and obviously hung around to hear the same kind of racist abuse that was dished out to Mark Walters from the Jungle End a long time back. As if the fact theyâre abusing their own players makes it more racist. Having said all that; Warrington, Manchester, Canary Wharf, the list goes on and on. Itâs not as if the less intelligent among the Chelsea support have any reason to express anti-Irish attitudes. Pretty like the treatment youâd think a lad in an England shirt (who decided to sing GSTQ) would get if he ventured into Frazers for an England international. Banter, but hopefully not quite enough to make him uncomfortable to the point of leaving.
Leaving the match (especially dreary Champions League group games) to have it with oppisition fans is fairly commonplace all across the continent once you move into the territory of the hoolie scene. The Belgians talk themselves up as being fairly handy so itâs no surprise that the English like to have a look when they visit for European games.
The row with Spurs was after the game (11pm-12am), and wasnât particularly one-sided; strange to throw that one into the mix. Iâd have a great story to throw into the mix but I canât find the book; itâs the time Chelsea and Celtic somehow managed to find themselves having it on the streets against Rangers and Spurs.*
*Spurs may not have been the other English team, but it was definitely Chelsea and Celtic in a marriage of convenience against Rangers and someone else.
Hooligans being priced out of the games? More probable that retired hooligans with kids are [among] the first to see the Premiership for the bloated, over-priced money-sucking monster that it is, and choose to stay in the pub for the games. At least theyâre on the same island as the game that theyâre watching is taking place on. Can be more or less 200 per matchday for a Premiership game these days, if youâve 2 kids.
I love the way no-one does any work on Fridays. 
ill start the ball rolling
The jungle wasnt an end-it ran along the side of the pitch
cheers fingal hoop. 
just wanted to clarify
Sledgehammer wrote:
Bandage wrote:
[quote]
The last time I was at Stamford Bridge was because of work commitments for the Anderlecht Champions League game in September 2005. I havenât been back since and donât intend going back either unless Celtic are drawn against them at some stage. Are you honestly trying to deny that Chelsea have a right-wing, fascist, racist support? Donât make me laugh. I was accosted in a pub on the Fulham Road after that game by a group of fooking idiots when they heard my accent as I ordered a round.âPaddy this, IRA that, No Surrender, BNP all the wayâ. Dicks. I heard their songs, I listened to them racially abuse their own black players and I saw a group of clowns right in front of my eyes in the stand arrange to leave the ground early in order to get a good position to attack the visiting supporters as they left. They were at similar before last seasonâs pre-season friendly when Celtic went down to play them. Like many firms, Chelseaâs hooligan elementâs probably in danger of being priced out of football but the underbellyâs very much still there as the plethora of knife attacks before the Spurs cup-tie last spring would also verify. Pack of racist fook-wits.
The question about when you were last there was tongue in cheek. It makes sense that you wonât be back until Celtic play there. What doesnât make sense is you commenting on what âthey were up toâ at a game you werenât at; talking about the recent friendly obviously, and the 'RA singing antics of the CSC. If they were sober enough to all sing the same IRA song at the same time it would have more of an impact.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGsENm9Q4GI
Canât say I understand why anyone would accuse you of being an IRA sympathiser, or sing No Surrender at you just in hearing your Irish accent, but you obviously didnât feel threatened enough to leave the place, and obviously hung around to hear the same kind of racist abuse that was dished out to Mark Walters from the Jungle End a long time back. As if the fact theyâre abusing their own players makes it more racist. Having said all that; Warrington, Manchester, Canary Wharf, the list goes on and on. Itâs not as if the less intelligent among the Chelsea support have any reason to express anti-Irish attitudes. Pretty like the treatment youâd think a lad in an England shirt (who decided to sing GSTQ) would get if he ventured into Frazers for an England international. Banter, but hopefully not quite enough to make him uncomfortable to the point of leaving.
Leaving the match (especially dreary Champions League group games) to have it with oppisition fans is fairly commonplace all across the continent once you move into the territory of the hoolie scene. The Belgians talk themselves up as being fairly handy so itâs no surprise that the English like to have a look when they visit for European games.
The row with Spurs was after the game (11pm-12am), and wasnât particularly one-sided; strange to throw that one into the mix. Iâd have a great story to throw into the mix but I canât find the book; itâs the time Chelsea and Celtic somehow managed to find themselves having it on the streets against Rangers and Spurs.*
*Spurs may not have been the other English team, but it was definitely Chelsea and Celtic in a marriage of convenience against Rangers and someone else.
Hooligans being priced out of the games? More probable that retired hooligans with kids are [among] the first to see the Premiership for the bloated, over-priced money-sucking monster that it is, and choose to stay in the pub for the games. At least theyâre on the same island as the game that theyâre watching is taking place on. Can be more or less 200 per matchday for a Premiership game these days, if youâve 2 kids.
I love the way no-one does any work on Fridays. [/quote]
Why are you comparing a bloke just being in a pub in England with an English guy going into a pub in Ireland with an English shirt on and singing GSTQ? Bandage wasnât in the pub for an Ireland international, nor was he singing any anthems as far as I know.
You have one story from a book you canât find about 4 teams, 1 of whom you canât remember, having a street fight and thatâs supposed to somwhow prove that Chelsea donât have a right-wing, fascist fan base.
Bandageâs story of being in the pub at Chelsea was anectodal evidence of Chelsea having a support (not an âelementâ, or a âsectionâ, I stress, but an entire âsupportâ) which could be described as right wing/racist/nazi/BNP.
My story from the book (which I will dig out) is also anecdotal.
The Mark Walters/Jungle story, which a Celtic mate of mine from Glasgow who happens to be visiting Dublin this weekend will confirm, is also anectodal.
See?
Bandage was in the pub though. So if iitâs anecdotal - itâs his own anecdotes based on what he saw himself.
Your story from the book is exactly that - a story.
The Mark Walters story isnât a story. Itâs facts.
You still donât say why anything regarding Mark Walters/IRA/Frazers etc. makes any difference to Bandageâs original assertion that Chelsea are a right-wing support. Itâs all irrelevant.
Sledgehammer wrote:
Bandage wrote:
[quote]
The last time I was at Stamford Bridge was because of work commitments for the Anderlecht Champions League game in September 2005. I havenât been back since and donât intend going back either unless Celtic are drawn against them at some stage. Are you honestly trying to deny that Chelsea have a right-wing, fascist, racist support? Donât make me laugh. I was accosted in a pub on the Fulham Road after that game by a group of fooking idiots when they heard my accent as I ordered a round.âPaddy this, IRA that, No Surrender, BNP all the wayâ. Dicks. I heard their songs, I listened to them racially abuse their own black players and I saw a group of clowns right in front of my eyes in the stand arrange to leave the ground early in order to get a good position to attack the visiting supporters as they left. They were at similar before last seasonâs pre-season friendly when Celtic went down to play them. Like many firms, Chelseaâs hooligan elementâs probably in danger of being priced out of football but the underbellyâs very much still there as the plethora of knife attacks before the Spurs cup-tie last spring would also verify. Pack of racist fook-wits.
The question about when you were last there was tongue in cheek. It makes sense that you wonât be back until Celtic play there. What doesnât make sense is you commenting on what âthey were up toâ at a game you werenât at; talking about the recent friendly obviously, and the 'RA singing antics of the CSC. If they were sober enough to all sing the same IRA song at the same time it would have more of an impact.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGsENm9Q4GI
Canât say I understand why anyone would accuse you of being an IRA sympathiser, or sing No Surrender at you just in hearing your Irish accent, but you obviously didnât feel threatened enough to leave the place, and obviously hung around to hear the same kind of racist abuse that was dished out to Mark Walters from the Jungle End a long time back. As if the fact theyâre abusing their own players makes it more racist. Having said all that; Warrington, Manchester, Canary Wharf, the list goes on and on. Itâs not as if the less intelligent among the Chelsea support have any reason to express anti-Irish attitudes. Pretty like the treatment youâd think a lad in an England shirt (who decided to sing GSTQ) would get if he ventured into Frazers for an England international. Banter, but hopefully not quite enough to make him uncomfortable to the point of leaving.
Leaving the match (especially dreary Champions League group games) to have it with oppisition fans is fairly commonplace all across the continent once you move into the territory of the hoolie scene. The Belgians talk themselves up as being fairly handy so itâs no surprise that the English like to have a look when they visit for European games.
The row with Spurs was after the game (11pm-12am), and wasnât particularly one-sided; strange to throw that one into the mix. Iâd have a great story to throw into the mix but I canât find the book; itâs the time Chelsea and Celtic somehow managed to find themselves having it on the streets against Rangers and Spurs.*
*Spurs may not have been the other English team, but it was definitely Chelsea and Celtic in a marriage of convenience against Rangers and someone else.
Hooligans being priced out of the games? More probable that retired hooligans with kids are [among] the first to see the Premiership for the bloated, over-priced money-sucking monster that it is, and choose to stay in the pub for the games. At least theyâre on the same island as the game that theyâre watching is taking place on. Can be more or less 200 per matchday for a Premiership game these days, if youâve 2 kids.
I love the way no-one does any work on Fridays. [/quote]
Youâre jumping to a number of conclusions re my last post on this thread especially with the âas if abusing their own players makes it more racistâ comment. I never suggested that racially abusing your own players, rather than opposition ones, was worse. Instead I reported the facts of what happened and what I heard on my last visit to a Chelsea game. If you recall you directly asked me when I was ever at one of their matches to substantiate my earlier post about them having a support renowned for being right wing etc. So I responded with first hand evidence rather than stories from a book that you canât be sure you remember properly.
I didnât hear Chelsea supporters abuse Anderlecht players that night so I obviously didnât relate that in my post. However, I did hear a large section abuse their own players so I mentioned that. Getting into the semantics of âsupportâ, âelementâ, âsectionâ etc like you mention - apologies for any confusion caused. I should clarify - I didnât intend to single out all of the 24,000 odd people who regularly attend Chelsea games as being right wing, racist, filthbags, just quite a considerable portion of them.
As for the âat least theyâre on the same island as the game that theyâre watching is taking place onâ comment. Whatâs that all about? Are you condoning hooligans causing carnage as long as theyâre on/from the same place the gameâs on? It seems absolutely ridiculous to me. Home town hooligans riot away but how dare the away support do likewise?
But basically youâve accepted that Chelsea have a large hooligan presence in your last post when you seemingly dismiss hooligans attacking each at Champions League games as being common place, though Iâve never seen that at any of the Celtic games Iâve attended. Similarly youâve acknowledged the stabbings last year around the Spurs cup tie so it doesnât tally into your previous post where you question the continuing existence of the headhunters.
The paragraph on the IRA is all well and good. However, itâs inconsequential in a debate about Chelseaâs support. Are you denying they have a large core support comprised of right wing, fascist, scumbags?
When I was getting the train from Birmingham New Street to Witton for Villa-Chelsea a year or so ago plenty of Chelsea away fans helped us with train routes etc. Anecdotal evidence of Chelsea fans being sound towards Irish daytrippers maybe. A basis for me to claim that theyâre all nice helpful chaps, no of course not.
They were chatting and were curious to know why Irish people donât support their own teams but thatâs obviously another dayâs work.
Right wing is one thing, far right is another. Some of my views on law and order are probably right wing but I wouldnât be a fan of the BNP.
I just donât accept that Chelsea have more of a far-right, racist support than most other English clubs. If they do, it should hardly be more of a source of shame than the section of Liverpool fans who attacked Alan Smithâs ambulance and sing about Munich. It should hardly be more of a source of shame than the section of Manchester fans who sing about Hillsborough.
id agree with some of what you say there although i definelty believe that some ranagers fans & chelsea fans have tried to organise a friendship - wasnt there a fanzine the blues brothers??
ive been to the bridge anfield old trafford & WHL a good few times. the only violence i saw was united fans attacking liverpool fand. the only racism i heard was at anfield & while I never experienced any anti Irishness anywhere I have a friend who was told fuck off back to Ireland paddy by liverpool fans at anfield
who was the friend RavenâŚDoll ?
handy
although didnt myers get hassle about being Irish at a Liverpool game as well
i recall Doll telling me something similar happening to him in a pub after a liverpool game.
so thats 3 people I know who have got anti irish abuse at liverpool - gerradino & farmer might have similar stories but luckily enough they dont go to games
As for the âat least theyâre on the same island as the game that theyâre watching is taking place onâ comment. Whatâs that all about? Are you condoning hooligans causing carnage as long as theyâre on/from the same place the gameâs on? It seems absolutely ridiculous to me. Home town hooligans riot away but how dare the away support do likewise?
The context to this was about retired hooligans (who now have kids) who remember what life was like in the 80s, being among the first to see how grotesque the Premiership has become. Thus they make a conscious decision to stay away from games, and watch in pubs. One or two pubs around the ground (Malster?) would probably be the regular haunt of the individuals who are probably anti-Irish, right-wing, and racist. I was saying it as I see it, not saying that I support it.
I never said it was alright for anyone to âriotâ. Friends of mine were at both Celtic - United games last season, and relayed first hand accounts of fighting before, during and after both games. Like what I read in the book, I choose to believe them. Same way as I choose to believe you re: Anderlecht game. Fighting DOES happen when Celtic play in Europe; although on occassions like Vigo Airport, it is often not the fault of Celtic fans.
One point I did make re: the IRA, was that given that theyâve detonated bombs up and down England, itâs to a certain extent excusable that English people might express anti-Irish sentiment. So I donât think the whole IRA thing is inconsequential. Again Iâll reiterate that my assumption is that the jostling you got didnât make you uncomfortable to the point of leaving the boozer.
From my limited knowledge on the topic, I would guess that Milwall, West Ham, Spurs and Chelsea have roughly equal numbers of active hooligans at the moment. Iâd say theyâre of equally diverse political views, but as theyâre English people Iâd say theyâre fairly pro-English. As their govrenment has made a mess of immigration and caused mass ghettoisation in London and elsewhere, racism is unfortunately part and parcel of most social groups made up mainly of young males. As it will be in Ireland in the not too distant future.
Sledgehammer wrote:
As for the âat least theyâre on the same island as the game that theyâre watching is taking place onâ comment. Whatâs that all about? Are you condoning hooligans causing carnage as long as theyâre on/from the same place the gameâs on? It seems absolutely ridiculous to me. Home town hooligans riot away but how dare the away support do likewise?
The context to this was about retired hooligans (who now have kids) who remember what life was like in the 80s, being among the first to see how grotesque the Premiership has become. Thus they make a conscious decision to stay away from games, and watch in pubs. One or two pubs around the ground (Malster?) would probably be the regular haunt of the individuals who are probably anti-Irish, right-wing, and racist. I was saying it as I see it, not saying that I support it.
I never said it was alright for anyone to âriotâ. Friends of mine were at both Celtic - United games last season, and relayed first hand accounts of fighting before, during and after both games. Like what I read in the book, I choose to believe them. Same way as I choose to believe you re: Anderlecht game. Fighting DOES happen when Celtic play in Europe; although on occassions like Vigo Airport, it is often not the fault of Celtic fans.
One point I did make re: the IRA, was that given that theyâve detonated bombs up and down England, itâs to a certain extent excusable that English people might express anti-Irish sentiment. So I donât think the whole IRA thing is inconsequential. Again Iâll reiterate that my assumption is that the jostling you got didnât make you uncomfortable to the point of leaving the boozer.
From my limited knowledge on the topic, I would guess that Milwall, West Ham, Spurs and Chelsea have roughly equal numbers of active hooligans at the moment. Iâd say theyâre of equally diverse political views, but as theyâre English people Iâd say theyâre fairly pro-English. As their govrenment has made a mess of immigration and caused mass ghettoisation in London and elsewhere, racism is unfortunately part and parcel of most social groups made up mainly of young males. As it will be in Ireland in the not too distant future.
I was at both Celtic-United games last year as well and Iâll give you a first hand account of what happened. In Manchester there was no trouble whatsoever. I walked to the ground along with 3 other forum members on here and hundreds more. We spent the whole day around the city and there was no animosity or arguments at all.
At the home leg some United fans came up with the intention of causing trouble. They had a go at attacking some Celtic pubs on the way to the ground and made an effort at something similar afterwards. There were no running battles and no fights at all with any Celtic fans.
Again youâre making wild claims about situtations you didnât see and your sum total of knowledge on this topic seems to be from some hooligan book or books you read - utterly unreliable. Iâve been at a good few Celtic away games in the past few years in England, Italy, Portugal and Germany and Iâve never seen a hint of trouble at any of those games. To be perfectly frank Iâm willing to base my assessment of the Celtic fansâ behaviour on what Iâve witnessed and not some book written to shock everyone and consequently sell as many copies as possible.
Your arguments in favour of anti-Irish sentiment would be utterly laughable if they werenât indicative of a dangerous mindset. The ANC were involved in a bombing campaign in South Africa - did that justify Apartheid? Is anti-Muslim racism now acceptable or âexcusableâ because of the events of 9/11? Christ almighty thereâs a difference between racism and justice. There are no circumstances in which it is acceptable to condemn or abuse an entire race of people. None. And there are no circumstances where that should be regarded as âexcusable.â
Arguments like racism being âpart and parcelâ of most social groups really do shy away from the truth.
Sledgehammer wrote:
As for the âat least theyâre on the same island as the game that theyâre watching is taking place onâ comment. Whatâs that all about? Are you condoning hooligans causing carnage as long as theyâre on/from the same place the gameâs on? It seems absolutely ridiculous to me. Home town hooligans riot away but how dare the away support do likewise?
The context to this was about retired hooligans (who now have kids) who remember what life was like in the 80s, being among the first to see how grotesque the Premiership has become. Thus they make a conscious decision to stay away from games, and watch in pubs. One or two pubs around the ground (Malster?) would probably be the regular haunt of the individuals who are probably anti-Irish, right-wing, and racist. I was saying it as I see it, not saying that I support it.
I never said it was alright for anyone to âriotâ. Friends of mine were at both Celtic - United games last season, and relayed first hand accounts of fighting before, during and after both games. Like what I read in the book, I choose to believe them. Same way as I choose to believe you re: Anderlecht game. Fighting DOES happen when Celtic play in Europe; although on occassions like Vigo Airport, it is often not the fault of Celtic fans.
One point I did make re: the IRA, was that given that theyâve detonated bombs up and down England, itâs to a certain extent excusable that English people might express anti-Irish sentiment. So I donât think the whole IRA thing is inconsequential. Again Iâll reiterate that my assumption is that the jostling you got didnât make you uncomfortable to the point of leaving the boozer.
From my limited knowledge on the topic, I would guess that Milwall, West Ham, Spurs and Chelsea have roughly equal numbers of active hooligans at the moment. Iâd say theyâre of equally diverse political views, but as theyâre English people Iâd say theyâre fairly pro-English. As their govrenment has made a mess of immigration and caused mass ghettoisation in London and elsewhere, racism is unfortunately part and parcel of most social groups made up mainly of young males. As it will be in Ireland in the not too distant future.
Fair enough. On the ira point, I accept that certain English people might express anti-Irish feelings as a consequence of bombings in their country but I donât think itâs rational behaviour to harass someone in a London bar because theyâre Irish. I despise some of the stuff the British Government and Army have done in Ireland but it doesnât lead me to accosting English people in Temple Bar every weekend. On the occasion in question I didnât leave the bar as several of my work colleagues were there (and because Iâm double rock hard), however it was pretty uncomfortable having two scumbags up in my face shouting anti-ira slogans at me as their gang of mates looked on laughing.
Re the Celtic-United games last year; I was at Old Trafford and didnât witness first-hand any violence. Myself, rocko dancingbaby and pagey spent the afternoon in the Irish centre in Chorlton where a number of Celtic bands were playing and word got around that the Manchester United crew, the Men In Black, were coming around to sort us out though this didnât materialise.
Celtic being Celtic had thousands of ticketless supporters travelling as well as many, like ourselves, who had tickets in the home sections. We were underneath the Celtic end behind one of the goals and it was 50/50 in there without there being any hassle. I did hear that other Celtic supporters who were isolated in Manchester United sections around the ground took a few digs and/or were forced to leave the ground by stewards. And there was also reports of some Celtic supporters being attacked in The Trafford Bar before the game but I didnât witness this either.
I couldnât get off work for the game in Glasgow but Rocko was there and heâll know more. Again, the MIB were said to be coming up to go on the rampage but as far as I know they wrecked a pub or two in the city centre and were then surrounded by police and marched to the ground without causing any more damage.
imo Celtic supporters didnât instigate any of the violence in either game against Manchester United. Iâm not painting Celtic fans out to be complete innocents as thereâs generally a core of idiots supporting/following every side. Itâs probably not a coincidence that it was Manchester United supporters who were subsequently rioting over both legs against Roma too.
Agreed on the reasons for the rampant racism in young English males.